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ManyShadesOf

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27. in some ways we already are

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:42 PM

Jun 2012

aren't we?

dunno about camps but the crowd control setup for more active street protests are in place. & we've seen what's happened in Canada - cops busting students in the head with clubs while they protest legislation that would take away their right to protest. we've seen peaceful Occupy protesters shot in the head with tear gas canisters, sprayed directly in the face with pepper spray.

have you seen the question I think Thom Hartmann raised about whether people thought our times were more Orwellian or Huxley? why not let people be cozy with their servitude and surveillance? they're more compliant that way and don't think of it as "totalitarian"

and you know fascism is defined by business running government. what more do you need?

I don't know much about Jones or his claims. I can see how some stuff may sound far fetched. Ya never know.

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Bilderberg 2012 - Conspiracy theorists please please please just GO AWAY [View all] Lars77 Jun 2012 OP

Would you rather these folks not be able to communicate informally? jberryhill Jun 2012 #1

? What folks, and communicate what to who? Lars77 Jun 2012 #4

Yes. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #31

So.... jberryhill Jun 2012 #32

They have a right to speak, but not under a cloak... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #35

Agreed Comrade........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #74

'Capitalism' is not the enemy. Unfortunately, human nature is the enemy. randome Jun 2012 #2

I never said capitalism is the enemy. I said predatory capitalism and neoliberalism. Lars77 Jun 2012 #3

I just don't see much difference between 'capitalism' and 'neoliberalism'. randome Jun 2012 #7

Well they aren't to me. I think we basically agree. Lars77 Jun 2012 #12

Capitalism is often chaotic. We need controlled chaos, often a hard nut to crack. randome Jun 2012 #13

I think it can be implemented in larges countries too, Lars77 Jun 2012 #16

Far, far too much gridlock here, I agree. randome Jun 2012 #17

Unfettered Capitalism - Chris Hedges & Michael Moore crunch60 Jun 2012 #59

The neo-liberal model of "capitalism" is very much the hifiguy Jun 2012 #6

both these posters ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #9

What is the difference between Capitalism and sociopathy? Zalatix Jun 2012 #8

I agree that capitalism (and its subsets) magnify the worst in human nature. randome Jun 2012 #10

whose nature? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #11

I see it more in terms of 'natural selection'. randome Jun 2012 #15

yes ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #23

What kind of capitalism is it that's not predatory? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #77

good question ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #78

yeah, it just "catches on". nevermind the 500 years of war, invasion, torture, colonializm, police HiPointDem Jun 2012 #38

Sounds like a virus GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #73

That's typical capitalist BS nonsense. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #79

is it possible ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #5

I agree that the line between conspiracy theorist and rationality can seem blurred. Lars77 Jun 2012 #14

They do want to create a global government. They've clearly stated it for decades. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #20

Who stated this? The bilderberg group does not issue statements. Lars77 Jun 2012 #21

But many members have, over and over for decades. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #34

That they want to create one global government? Come on i have to call BS on that. Lars77 Jun 2012 #42

FFS. Look for yourself, this is no secret, there are accounts and quotes since the 70's that I know Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #48

Kissinger is credited with it, not entirerly sure he actually said it. Lars77 Jun 2012 #61

and if Dems had tried to ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #22

In a way, but it's not global totalitarianism. Lars77 Jun 2012 #24

how would you define or recognize that? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #25

Seems to me like some people actually think we will all be subjected to some global facist state Lars77 Jun 2012 #26

in some ways we already are ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #27

I agree that we are probably less free today than 15 years ago, when you see police tactics, Lars77 Jun 2012 #28

All politics = conspiracy. Schoolgirls conspire against their peers & but the rich & powerful HiPointDem Jun 2012 #39

But conspire how? One thing is sticking some dollar bills in your pockets, Lars77 Jun 2012 #44

They conspire to structure the world in the shape of their own desire, in large ways and small. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #45

Well said. I cannot fathom that people find this difficult to understand. woo me with science Jun 2012 #64

I wonder if you actually read the first post. Lars77 Jun 2012 #81

I did read it, and I actually recced the OP. woo me with science Jun 2012 #82

Sorry, i thought you mere replied to the OP :) Lars77 Jun 2012 #86

How did the world bank & imf come into being, and why are they dictating terms to the world? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #87

You tell me. Lars77 Jun 2012 #88

no, you tell me, because you're the one asserting no global conspracies/coordination. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #92

Interesting. Lars77 Jun 2012 #93

um, where did i say that, exactly? i asked you where the imf etc. came from -- why haven't HiPointDem Jun 2012 #97

Sorry that was Egalitarian Thug. Lars77 Jun 2012 #100

i'm saying that imf, etc are supranational organizations run by private individuals outside HiPointDem Jun 2012 #102

But is it a unitary global grand conspiracy? Chan790 Jun 2012 #83

where there's global empire, there's global conspiracy. the precise details no one can claim to HiPointDem Jun 2012 #85

After WWII many of the same players sought standardized education. Robb Jun 2012 #18

That's one of the ideas of the Fulbright association. Lars77 Jun 2012 #19

Those things enforce class solidarity, which makes it easier for the upper to conspire against HiPointDem Jun 2012 #40

Only if you completely ignore the idea and reduce it to "Swiss boarding schools." Robb Jun 2012 #41

you're the one who talked about international education & boarding. besides which, the little HiPointDem Jun 2012 #43

We have universal, standardized and international education now? Robb Jun 2012 #46

no one said we did. but here's what you said: HiPointDem Jun 2012 #49

No. Robb Jun 2012 #50

whatever. but that's what you said. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #51

Very well said. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2012 #29

Alex Jones led the way JoethePleb Jun 2012 #30

Alex Jones is a moron n/t RZM Jun 2012 #33

Jones = right winger, disinformationist, well poisoner. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #36

His Rolling Stone profile covered his many Bircher connections. NT. Mc Mike Jun 2012 #69

Don't let the absurd theories overtake the discussion of what is still suspicious... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #37

You know what the problem with this is? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #47

And the Nazis were right about tobacco and prenatal weight. Robb Jun 2012 #52

WHOOSH!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #53

Whoosh indeed. Robb Jun 2012 #54

Yup, you missed it by a mile, or two, or actually a couple light years. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #55

I took a gander at what has been written about ALEC on infowars RZM Jun 2012 #56

What most people miss is that in all his nuttery nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #57

Birchers like LaRouche and Jones Mc Mike Jun 2012 #70

Exactly nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #72

His orgs often get in the way of on-line research for credible verifying links. Mc Mike Jun 2012 #95

Alex Jones Alex Jones Alex Jones Texas-Limerick Jul 2012 #111

So you listen to Alex Jones zappaman Jun 2012 #104

there were people reporting on alec before 2009, & doing a better job than alex jones. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #67

Thanks. + 1 to all, but Domhoff. Mc Mike Jun 2012 #71

Really? Was he serious? How was the class? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #76

He was serious. Mc Mike Jun 2012 #94

wow, i always thought domhoff was a warhorse of the field. szasz was always a libertarian/winger HiPointDem Jun 2012 #96

Of course, the word of one anonymous individual isn't worth much. Mc Mike Jun 2012 #98

ah. i see the problem, i was thinking of thomas szasz, never heard of andrew. thanks for HiPointDem Jun 2012 #99

I vaguely remember hearing the name Thomas Szasz Mc Mike Jun 2012 #101

wrong. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #66

You have done your research. zappaman Jun 2012 #105

that poster put me on ignore the first time i tried to correct a post of hers. so probably not. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #109

I know zappaman Jun 2012 #110

Bullshit. zappaman Jun 2012 #103

The movers and shakers deciding what gets moved and who gets shook whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #58

I heard that the Bilderberg members LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #60

I thought that was Bohemian Grove :) Lars77 Jun 2012 #62

Clarence Thomas went at least one year. Octafish Jun 2012 #107

When secret government imports cocaine and the big banks launder the proceeds... Octafish Jun 2012 #63

How is it that this hasn't been ushered away to Creative Speculation? Earth_First Jun 2012 #65

Can you cite the specific TOS rule that prohibits that? Kaleva Jun 2012 #68

I agree. Why should ANYBODY be suspicious of a group........ socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #75

Try reading my first post. Lars77 Jun 2012 #80

I DID read your first post............. socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #90

Why care about what Alex Jones and RT include in their media? MrMickeysMom Jun 2012 #84

"They already run the world". This is conspiracy nonsense. Prometheus Bound Jun 2012 #89

Correct. zappaman Jun 2012 #106

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