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In reply to the discussion: Dear DU: Please stop echoing the European far right when it comes to immigration. [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)14. Found a good article at Deutsche Welle with some insight from social scientists.
The motivation for the current anti-Merkel sentiment, Wagner said, is both rational and irrational. On the one hand, she is the political figurehead and thus accountable for government policy; however, the reactionary way in which her public perception has changed suggests social psychological processes are at work. "Human beings strive for simplicity - simple answers - in times of crisis where collective fear is rife. Instead of weighing the complexity of a situation, the answer most often found by the mob is that some entity - this can be a leader like Merkel or even a group of people like the refugees - is to blame, and as soon as the crowd is convinced of this guilt, that entity has to go."
This is all the more proof, according to Steve Reicher, one of Europe's most prolific writers on social psychology, that these fears harken back to deep-seated fantasies regarding immigrants. "What happened in Cologne has turned migrants into the quintessential Other," Reicher told DW. "If you look back to 19th century colonial views, in all cultures there were these really strong notions of the invasive, the dangerous, the rampantly sexual and lascivious migrant. And that is precisely the horrifying and extremely striking image invoked by what happened on NYE in Cologne."
Reicher, who teaches at St Andrews, juxtaposed the current atmosphere in the wake of the Cologne attacks with the way people reacted to the image of Aylan Kurdi, the three-year-old Syrian refugee who washed up on a beach in Turkey, to show the extent to which collective views can vacillate. "Back then, it wasn't that our opinion of migrants had suddenly changed. It was much rather that we saw people as migrants - or not. The migrant is by definition an outsider, the Other. But when we saw the image of Aylan Kurdi, we saw the little boy and not the migrant. Things have switched back now, and we are faced with a representation of the migrant as a profound danger, a faceless horde."
As the refugee crisis intensified over the past half year, the tone in the German media with regard to Merkel gradually became more critical, but after the NYE attacks, it changed fundamentally. "Public opinion with regard to immigrants and refugees right now is completely influenced by how the situation is reported: over the past few months, many people have changed their minds about refugees because when they read negative reports in the paper they begin to believe that the people around them feel this way too."
http://www.dw.com/en/has-mob-mentality-taken-hold-in-germany-after-cologne-attacks/a-18994429
This insight into a German view of immigrants and "others" is quite similar to what is going on with the American right. Trump's appeal rests largely on "
h)uman beings strive for simplicity - simple answers - in times of crisis where collective fear is rife." Demagogues are good at providing simple answers (usually blaming some group of 'others' - in his case, Mexicans, Muslims, Chinese, etc.) for complex problems. And the fear of the majority population of "the rampantly sexual and lascivious migrant" (or minorities in general) used to be a part of white culture in the US, perhaps still is.
Anyway, it is useful to see how some social scientists look at the anti-refugee backlash in Germany.
This is all the more proof, according to Steve Reicher, one of Europe's most prolific writers on social psychology, that these fears harken back to deep-seated fantasies regarding immigrants. "What happened in Cologne has turned migrants into the quintessential Other," Reicher told DW. "If you look back to 19th century colonial views, in all cultures there were these really strong notions of the invasive, the dangerous, the rampantly sexual and lascivious migrant. And that is precisely the horrifying and extremely striking image invoked by what happened on NYE in Cologne."
Reicher, who teaches at St Andrews, juxtaposed the current atmosphere in the wake of the Cologne attacks with the way people reacted to the image of Aylan Kurdi, the three-year-old Syrian refugee who washed up on a beach in Turkey, to show the extent to which collective views can vacillate. "Back then, it wasn't that our opinion of migrants had suddenly changed. It was much rather that we saw people as migrants - or not. The migrant is by definition an outsider, the Other. But when we saw the image of Aylan Kurdi, we saw the little boy and not the migrant. Things have switched back now, and we are faced with a representation of the migrant as a profound danger, a faceless horde."
As the refugee crisis intensified over the past half year, the tone in the German media with regard to Merkel gradually became more critical, but after the NYE attacks, it changed fundamentally. "Public opinion with regard to immigrants and refugees right now is completely influenced by how the situation is reported: over the past few months, many people have changed their minds about refugees because when they read negative reports in the paper they begin to believe that the people around them feel this way too."
http://www.dw.com/en/has-mob-mentality-taken-hold-in-germany-after-cologne-attacks/a-18994429
This insight into a German view of immigrants and "others" is quite similar to what is going on with the American right. Trump's appeal rests largely on "
Anyway, it is useful to see how some social scientists look at the anti-refugee backlash in Germany.
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Dear DU: Please stop echoing the European far right when it comes to immigration. [View all]
redgreenandblue
Jan 2016
OP
This was reported by Juergen Todenhoefer as being a figure release by the BKA.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2016
#3
I suspect like me, most on DU agree with you, and simply trash most threads
closeupready
Jan 2016
#7
That is correct. The total number may be as high as 70, many of which were not refugees...
redgreenandblue
Jan 2016
#10
I can assure you they did not "do nothing because it wasn't politically correct".
redgreenandblue
Jan 2016
#71
Right, because when it comes to hating minorities, anecdotal data is reliable.
closeupready
Jan 2016
#16
Found a good article at Deutsche Welle with some insight from social scientists.
pampango
Jan 2016
#14
Sorry but internationally speaking there has been A LOT of violence by muslims
pault420
Jan 2016
#15
You 'blame Merkel'? When you're talking about incidents years ago in other countries?
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2016
#40
There has undoubtedly been a lot of political violence by Muslim terror organizations...
LeftishBrit
Jan 2016
#67
"Why should one European citizen have her freedom to conduct herself as she pleases impinged upon by
pampango
Jan 2016
#23
So what is the appropriate 'meaningful' liberal reponse, if prosecuting criminals is not
pampango
Jan 2016
#34
"putting words into another's mouth, or assigning nefarious motives"
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2016
#48
Agains: Immigrants are not more likely to commit crimes than non-immigrants.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2016
#36
Thanks for illustrating my point. I guess math is not your strongest subject?
redgreenandblue
Jan 2016
#35
When you you stop characterizing mob sexual assault as "mild" you might be worthy of a reply.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2016
#43
How dare you use a name like Odin when speaking hypocritical garbage like that!
Quantess
Jan 2016
#24
I think being from Norway, he does have more knowledge of it. They have had to give Arab immigrants
Jim Beard
Jan 2016
#58
6) The people at greatest risk are in warzones or being transported by human smugglers.
LeftyMom
Jan 2016
#26
Thank you and if they looked at US crime breakdowns , they would be demanding white people
Person 2713
Jan 2016
#51
Any German who is not "living their life as they please" because of refugees right now...
redgreenandblue
Jan 2016
#72
If you believe there is a substantial problem with refugee rape gangs in Germany...
redgreenandblue
Jan 2016
#73
Well said. Stereotyping and xenophobia are typical of the far right. K&R
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2016
#57