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67. There has undoubtedly been a lot of political violence by Muslim terror organizations...

Fri Jan 22, 2016, 09:14 PM

Jan 2016

Most of the victims have also been Muslims.

Muslim terror organizations are not the same thing as Muslim refugees: indeed most of the refugees are fleeing FROM Isis and similar groups.

Do some bad guys 'glom onto' the refugee groups? - Yes, I daresay they do; but they make up a pretty small proportion of the whole. Just as some native Europaeans are neo-Nazis or just plain thugs, but that does not mean that any group should be equated with their worst elements.

In the UK, not long ago, there was a lot of political violence by the Provisional IRA and the Protestant 'paramilitary' (i.e. terrorist) organizations in Northern Ireland. They were Catholics and Protestants, not Muslims.

And in any case, how do you get to blame Merkel for violence in the UK, especially the London Underground bombings, which happened considerably before she got elected?

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Dear DU: Please stop echoing the European far right when it comes to immigration. [View all] redgreenandblue Jan 2016 OP

RE "Immigrants/refugees are no less likely than Germans to commit crimes." Bonx Jan 2016 #1

This was reported by Juergen Todenhoefer as being a figure release by the BKA. redgreenandblue Jan 2016 #3

I dunno about Germany, but that is true in most countries. In the US, FSogol Jan 2016 #4

Blaming some PC cover up. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #2

The amount of anti-refugee bigotry on here has been astounding mwrguy Jan 2016 #5

Some of the posts would make the likes of LePen and Trump proud eissa Jan 2016 #13

Dear OP: Please stop trying to shut down legitimate concerns LittleBlue Jan 2016 #6

I suspect like me, most on DU agree with you, and simply trash most threads closeupready Jan 2016 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author redgreenandblue Jan 2016 #9

One question. Wouldn't be number of suspects be a function of how many pnwmom Jan 2016 #8

That is correct. The total number may be as high as 70, many of which were not refugees... redgreenandblue Jan 2016 #10

The article says that hundreds of women were sexually assaulted, pnwmom Jan 2016 #11

Cologne police force couldn't overtake "as high as 70 men" TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #69

I can assure you they did not "do nothing because it wasn't politically correct". redgreenandblue Jan 2016 #71

I have many family Amaya Jan 2016 #12

Right, because when it comes to hating minorities, anecdotal data is reliable. closeupready Jan 2016 #16

Hating, who said anything about hating? Amaya Jan 2016 #17

Which is exactly what was posted in the OP. n/t tabasco Jan 2016 #19

Found a good article at Deutsche Welle with some insight from social scientists. pampango Jan 2016 #14

Sorry but internationally speaking there has been A LOT of violence by muslims pault420 Jan 2016 #15

There's also been some really good comedy. Bad Dog Jan 2016 #18

Your argument fails because arithmetic. LeftyMom Jan 2016 #31

You 'blame Merkel'? When you're talking about incidents years ago in other countries? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2016 #40

you blame merkel for UK, SPain, and France attacks ? JI7 Jan 2016 #66

There has undoubtedly been a lot of political violence by Muslim terror organizations... LeftishBrit Jan 2016 #67

1) Thousands of Germans do not run around sexually assaulting women Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #20

All of this! hifiguy Jan 2016 #22

"Why should one European citizen have her freedom to conduct herself as she pleases impinged upon by pampango Jan 2016 #23

Convicting 50-100 out of a mob of some thousand men hifiguy Jan 2016 #32

So what is the appropriate 'meaningful' liberal reponse, if prosecuting criminals is not pampango Jan 2016 #34

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #63

When you try and leftynyc Jan 2016 #39

But look at what hifiguy claimed "the left" as a group is doing: muriel_volestrangler Jan 2016 #41

The reports about leftynyc Jan 2016 #42

You blame yourself, then, being 'leftynyc'? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2016 #44

They condemned the attack, yes leftynyc Jan 2016 #47

"putting words into another's mouth, or assigning nefarious motives" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2016 #48

WTF are you talking about? leftynyc Jan 2016 #49

I see the extreme left in a circular fireing squad Jim Beard Jan 2016 #50

Not really sure why leftynyc Jan 2016 #53

Sorry Jim Beard Jan 2016 #59

No apology necessary leftynyc Jan 2016 #62

Indeed LeftishBrit Jan 2016 #68

Agains: Immigrants are not more likely to commit crimes than non-immigrants. redgreenandblue Jan 2016 #36

+1000000 nashville_brook Jan 2016 #30

Thanks for illustrating my point. I guess math is not your strongest subject? redgreenandblue Jan 2016 #35

Why are the swedish prisons filled with non-swedes, then? Quantess Jan 2016 #37

You don't help any discussion by quoting a site like that as an authority. Denzil_DC Jan 2016 #46

When you you stop characterizing mob sexual assault as "mild" you might be worthy of a reply. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #43

Well put leftynyc Jan 2016 #38

Please, show some respect for rape gangs! Democat Jan 2016 #54

"Otherwise, you're not a real liberal." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #56

As to your #5... trotsky Jan 2016 #60

And some of them were right here on DU. hifiguy Jan 2016 #65

The Neocons did a good job tying Islamophobia to the "New Atheist" movement. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #21

How dare you use a name like Odin when speaking hypocritical garbage like that! Quantess Jan 2016 #24

What the fuck does my username have to do with anything? Odin2005 Jan 2016 #25

When spewing opinions about religions, yes it does. Quantess Jan 2016 #27

I'm Norwegian-American. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #28

Ja... och? Quantess Jan 2016 #33

I think being from Norway, he does have more knowledge of it. They have had to give Arab immigrants Jim Beard Jan 2016 #58

It's slightly off-topic cpwm17 Jan 2016 #29

6) The people at greatest risk are in warzones or being transported by human smugglers. LeftyMom Jan 2016 #26

Very good points. n/t Metatron Jan 2016 #52

"Lots of young people are in fact volunteering to help out." romanic Jan 2016 #45

Thank you and if they looked at US crime breakdowns , they would be demanding white people Person 2713 Jan 2016 #51

You yourself are defending the far right if you are minimizing rape gangs Democat Jan 2016 #55

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #61

Ageed. And not one woman in any of the countries hifiguy Jan 2016 #64

Any German who is not "living their life as they please" because of refugees right now... redgreenandblue Jan 2016 #72

If you believe there is a substantial problem with refugee rape gangs in Germany... redgreenandblue Jan 2016 #73

Well said. Stereotyping and xenophobia are typical of the far right. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #57

Anecdotal evidence Matrosov Jan 2016 #70