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Babel_17

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75. Thank you. Rank and file Republican voters aren't rebels
Sat Jan 23, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jan 2016

They won't switch en masse to Bloomberg, and those that are rebels are backing Trump and Cruz.

I think Bloomberg is laying the hammer down against Trump and Cruz to make them look even more unelectable. He tossed in the bit about Sanders for cover that this isn't about just them, and that he might really run.

Those that can be flipped from Trump and Cruz might look at Kasich (who the establishment is willing to settle on); he's already looking to beat earlier low expectations in Iowa and New Hampshire. The meme that the Republican establishment and Bloomberg are trying to push is that Trump and Cruz are unelectable. Once they collapse, Bloomberg goes home (with his billion dollars).

And more than the money, he'd hate having to produce all his financial records, and sever his business ties, so he could run. Running a real campaign is an extraordinary venture. And he's thinking of maybe getting into it by March? Too little, too late, rich guy. Sorry. When Trump dares him to enter the primary and meet him head on, he'll look flat. He can't enter, because he'd have to swear their loyalty oath.

He's not viable without a real campaign organization, a real presence around the country, and a groundswell of supporters. "Heart, hear!" from conservative pundits isn't going to get him far.

I do think he might spend 40-50 million setting something up, so he can trash talk and get that covered by the media in a serious way. But that dog will hunt only so long. If he didn't keep ramping things up, his "campaign" would look ludicrous. I doubt Bloomberg is willing to look foolish, or like he was forced out by Trump. So he'll be constantly testing the water, and investing in the process accordingly.

The real risk to his goals is if Trump and Cruz supporters double down in their support. Bloomberg needs to be in the background, and just help indirectly pushing the mantra that Trump and Cruz are unelectable, and will cause the Democrats to win big.

Needless to say, "Billionaire announces Sanders is unacceptable" might be a message Bloomberg would regret.

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The fact that this center-right Billionaire would be happy with Clinton speaks volumes. plus5mace Jan 2016 #1
Yes, that he can't beat her. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #5
No, he knows he doesn't have to beat Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #94
The article says he doesn't want a suicide mission. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #95
That's what he claims Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #107
+1 daleanime Jan 2016 #128
*This* smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #150
Say whatever you like about it, as long as you vote for her in November. Orrex Jan 2016 #123
Sorry, no intention of getting my hands bloody Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #125
Another vote for the Republican then. Charming. Orrex Jan 2016 #126
Bullshit! Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #129
I have no candidate--I'm voting for the Democrat Orrex Jan 2016 #130
Vote as you feel Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #131
Neither do I, nor have I asked anyone to swear such an oath Orrex Jan 2016 #134
I know my own conscience Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #136
In essence, you are. Orrex Jan 2016 #145
Can't vote for someone who counts Henry Kissinger Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #146
You're adorable! Orrex Jan 2016 #147
Yes, abhoring war criminals is Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #148
You amazing paragon! Orrex Jan 2016 #149
Never claimed to be virtuous, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #159
If you want to pout and withhold your vote, then go right ahead. Orrex Jan 2016 #161
Again, your take Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #165
And my take is correct. Orrex Jan 2016 #166
Right. Of course you are Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #168
Not because I'm me, but because you're wrong Orrex Jan 2016 #169
In your opinion, sorry. Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #170
And in fact. Sorry. Orrex Jan 2016 #171
In your opinion, your opinion is fact Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #173
That's a lie--I do not believe my opinion is fact. Orrex Jan 2016 #175
Sorry, but we are discussing opinion Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #177
Put each other on ignore, blow each other up, I don't give a fuck, but... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #179
then it's not bullshit, what Orrex said is true CreekDog Jan 2016 #152
I will not vote for a war mongering conservative Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #154
Preach the gospel. VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #162
Welcome to DU! Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #164
Thanks much! VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #167
Not in my case. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #139
And I've acknowledged that that's different. Hell, you can even write him in. Orrex Jan 2016 #144
That's your take. Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #158
Your take is simplistic and indicates a failure to understand reality Orrex Jan 2016 #160
Thank you. 840high Jan 2016 #156
Exactly: he wouldn't need to. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #137
It's clear that he's running to stop Sanders CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #102
He will only split the dem vote. Republicans won't vote for him. 2pooped2pop Jan 2016 #127
Exactly. For his huge gun control efforts alone... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #140
Great TWO BILLIONAIRES RUNNING! Go Bernie! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #153
Yep! "Anyone but Bernie" say the Billionaires. And the reason is no secret. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #7
Sanders got Bloomberg's attention right where it hurts rurallib Jan 2016 #59
Or this is Bloomberg's opinion as to how viable Sanders would be in a general election contest Gothmog Jan 2016 #63
If this election has taught us anything, it's that being the candidate with the most $$$ 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #68
Do TV Ads do not matter unless the TV ad is from Bernie Gothmog Jan 2016 #70
You're incorrect on two points 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #101
Without a single vote having been cast Codeine Jan 2016 #74
Agreed Gothmog Jan 2016 #82
I think Jeb! might disagree with you about that. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #103
Yep. Volaris Jan 2016 #114
+15 nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #115
Doesn't it, though. hifiguy Jan 2016 #80
Another out of touch billionaire is exactly what's needed NightWatcher Jan 2016 #2
Chamber of commerce republicans, moderates Renew Deal Jan 2016 #4
Indeed. The RePubs will face a choice of a hard-line gun-grabber. Good news... Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #12
Trump-Sanders-Bloomberg would be a wild race. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #3
Remind them that they keep abandoning their modern New Deal roots, you mean? villager Jan 2016 #32
You mean caucus with them? roody Jan 2016 #52
Actually, according to the article, "internal polling truedelphi Jan 2016 #54
There is no way to predict how voters would react Renew Deal Jan 2016 #65
Republicans are only 24 to 26% of the overall number of voters. truedelphi Jan 2016 #73
Just out of curiosity what HAS Sanders done to Democrats for 30 years? tularetom Jan 2016 #77
Running against the Democratic candidate and splitting the vote or winning. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #91
Yeah, darn him anyway for being more appealing to Democratic voters than a Democrat tularetom Jan 2016 #99
Trump wpould win. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #108
Say it's Trump and Bernie...whose candidacy would an independent Bloomberg run hurt more? TacoD Jan 2016 #6
I think it would hurt neither one of them. tRump's supporters are stupid and don't... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #10
There are more than those two groups Renew Deal Jan 2016 #37
Please see my #12. Thanks. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #14
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jan 2016 #112
The elites really despise Bernie LittleBlue Jan 2016 #8
That would be hella-awesome. A 3rd Party run would guarantee a Sanders win in the GE. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #9
Completely agree with the way you arranged your words there. ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #15
Please proceed mayor madokie Jan 2016 #62
Imagine, Bernie running in GE against 2 filthy-rich Billionaires. How perfect would that be? 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #64
Savor the flavor madokie Jan 2016 #66
+10 nail on the head n/t 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #69
I'm sure Trump can afford to lose both the votes MisterP Jan 2016 #100
I don't think so. Calista241 Jan 2016 #119
Well, even if that's true, which i doubt, it's still a stupid move. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #121
I'm not all that sure the "he's a billionaire" label Calista241 Jan 2016 #122
Ha! Da Gun-Grabber-in-Chief wants to make a run. Another GOPer in the race. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #11
plus - he's from New York City and at least nominally Jewish - LiberalElite Jan 2016 #42
Trump WILL Be the candidate for the Rs nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #13
This is a shameless attempt to stop Bernie by splitting the Left. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #16
It won't work. Bernie WILL BE our next president. Bet on it. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #18
Isn't that the truth. Disgusting. nt laundry_queen Jan 2016 #58
People who live in the bubble of manhattan might fall for it, but the rest of the country, no. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #88
This goes to show how little the party establishment actualy thinks. Autumn Jan 2016 #105
I thought it might be to late to file MagickMuffin Jan 2016 #17
If I'm reading that right, he won't be on the ballot in enough states to win? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #20
That would seem to be the case. MagickMuffin Jan 2016 #21
And my follow-on thought: "Which renders my OP moot!" ... lol. Oh well. I should... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #23
So far, so Good! MagickMuffin Jan 2016 #24
I am. I'm close enough I can look over and see the planes flying to and fro at DFW Airport. ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #26
70 degrees here in East Texas! Shorts weather. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2016 #135
those are primary deadlines tho not general election deadlines questionseverything Jan 2016 #29
Dang it! You're right! Gosh, my mind is locked into the PRIMARY part of this thing. Geez, and.. ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #30
np happens to everyone sometimes questionseverything Jan 2016 #31
Is he looking for a brokered primary win from the Rs? jwirr Jan 2016 #79
This is primary deadlines. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #33
So…… What is the deadline for GE? MagickMuffin Jan 2016 #36
If memory serves, and it might be wrong, this is for the primaries nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #41
He would be running 3rd party, so those dates don't matter KelleyKramer Jan 2016 #45
looks like those are filing dates for primaries SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #85
That is for primaries. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author Gabi Hayes Jan 2016 #110
Of course he DID manage a third term in NY despite term limits.. annabanana Jan 2016 #116
Maybe can get Lieberman as his VP candidate! hatrack Jan 2016 #19
HA! annabanana Jan 2016 #117
On the bright side, it will increase the entertainment value of the election. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #22
how far off are we from the day when a CORPORATION runs for president? napkinz Jan 2016 #25
At least it won't be a multi-national.. annabanana Jan 2016 #118
"I'll believe a corporation is a person when Texas executes one." eom VulgarPoet Jan 2016 #163
This sucks! hrmjustin Jan 2016 #27
Edited: Doh! I was wrong. My brain is apparently too locked onto the primaries... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #28
Lol that is ok. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #34
I hope he runs. Shoulders of Giants Jan 2016 #35
Just what kind of platform would he run on? He really has no visibility outside of NYC and madinmaryland Jan 2016 #38
He would hurt the Republicans a lot more than he could hurt Bernie Kalidurga Jan 2016 #39
Since Trump would be hurt the most, would he offer the Veep spot to Bloomberg? GreenPartyVoter Jan 2016 #40
I think Bloomberg would draw Democratic voters JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #50
Maybe. Not sure, though. Sanders does resonate with a lot of people GreenPartyVoter Jan 2016 #51
I doubt it Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #56
Bloomberg's demographic is Middle Class Latte Liberals Odin2005 Jan 2016 #60
I dont. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #89
I think this is going to get a horrible reaction Babel_17 Jan 2016 #43
Very well said. Thanks. elias49 Jan 2016 #72
Thank you. Rank and file Republican voters aren't rebels Babel_17 Jan 2016 #75
So basically, Bloomberg wants Hillary? KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #44
He's not a Republican oberliner Jan 2016 #46
Snort KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #48
OK - but he isn't a "Republican in Name Only" oberliner Jan 2016 #57
Oh Good! Another 1%er running for president Sam_Fields Jan 2016 #47
I doubt many would vote for him this late FloriDem Jan 2016 #49
Does this mean oldandhappy Jan 2016 #53
Neither of the major parties wanted him before gwheezie Jan 2016 #55
Report: Bloomberg Considering Independent Presidential Bid Gothmog Jan 2016 #61
GOP would be toast! B Calm Jan 2016 #67
They don't think Hillary can handle the Bern apparently. AmBlue Jan 2016 #71
Bloomberg is expressing an opinion on the weakness of Sanders as a general election candidate Gothmog Jan 2016 #83
And many, many good Democrats are not. StandingInLeftField Jan 2016 #90
Based on Sanders' handily trouncing HRC in both NH and IA? AmBlue Jan 2016 #111
Fabulous news. 3rd party: And fundies will hate Bloomberg. Split the vote!!! lindysalsagal Jan 2016 #76
I very much doubt it would work that way. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #141
"In confidence," you say. immoderate Jan 2016 #180
A voice for the powerful establishment types who have been destroying this country? jfern Jan 2016 #78
There is no way dems would vote for him and neither would the Independents onecaliberal Jan 2016 #81
Trump or Cruz AND Bernie SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2016 #84
In a Trump-Bloomberg-Sanders race, it's not inconceivable he might actually win. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2016 #86
Things could go bad if the electors are split up. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #97
This ^^^^ flamingdem Jan 2016 #124
He'll pull a lot more anti-trump or cruz republicans than he will anti-sanders Democrats. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #87
I strongly disagree. Two words: gun control. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #142
I'm not saying he's gonna have a snowball's chance in hell. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #143
Ross Perot redux. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #92
Honestly, if voting Bernie troubles them that much retrowire Jan 2016 #93
Bernie is part of the puzzle Renew Deal Jan 2016 #96
The fact that Bernie is apart of that puzzle at all is enough for me. retrowire Jan 2016 #104
I don't know about "Them" but Bloomberg seems to think Bernie isn't qualified, nor does he think stevenleser Jan 2016 #133
Hopefully, he will be put to the test when Bernie is nominated. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #98
Just reported on CBS evening news, too. Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #106
Filing deadlines begin with Texas on May 9 Jim Lane Jan 2016 #113
Bloomberg is the oligarchs candidate JEB Jan 2016 #120
He needs to calm the fuck down and katsy Jan 2016 #132
He is trying to be a spoiler... yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #138
Try to contain your excitement CreekDog Jan 2016 #151
Great! Another clown for the clown car! Initech Jan 2016 #155
Who the hell would vote for Bloomberg in a Trump/Bloomberg/Sanders campaign? Marr Jan 2016 #157
A friend of Mom's in NYC called him "the tiny fascist" KamaAina Jan 2016 #172
Sees a path to the White House if either of those 2 weak links are nominated. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #174
I'm a strong O'Malley supporter but let me tell you JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #176
So, let me see how this works out. oldandhappy Jan 2016 #178
Polls are obviously showing Hillary is behind in IA INdemo Jan 2016 #181
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