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In reply to the discussion: Danish teen fought off her attacker - now she'll face fine [View all]Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Rape conviction rates have been plummeting as rape rates rise, and it is forbidden to discuss why.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Germany
Denmark, most first offenders get under two years:
http://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/denmark-higher-penalties-for-rape-and-other-violent-crimes-contemplated/
The maximum is eight. So you could be a serial rapist and get 8 years on your fourth rape, although the chance of being convicted for multiple rapes is so low in Denmark that it's almost unthinkable. The chance of being convicted on a simple rape charge is incredibly low. If you beat your victim into a pulp the police will usually try to investigate, but that's about it.
Sometimes first offenders get parole.
Many women in Denmark don't even report a rape - unless the victim is badly injured, the police are unlikely to pursue it:
http://cphpost.dk/news/denmarks-shockingly-low-rape-conviction-rate.html
Ulla Thornemand, the head of womans group Dansk Kvindesamfund, believes the conviction rate is far too low.
Too few are being convicted of rape, Thornemand told Metroxpress. Over 98 percent of all rapists are never convicted. There is virtually no risk if you rape a woman.
By badly injured I don't mean all bruised up, either.
There are virtues to the US system. We do not have this problem mostly because women wouldn't stand for it, and in many states, if a rape wave started, offenders would promptly start getting their 'nads blown off, which would deal with the problem.
The situation is not all that different in Germany. There is currently a Russian/German diplomatic scuffle. A 13 year-old German resident girl of Russian extraction disappeared for more than a day. She had been in sexual contact with at least two men. The police did nothing, saying that her story had discrepancies and that the contact was "consensual". In fact, the police first said it didn't happen at all when the story broke on social media in Germany.
The Russians got into the fray and retained the girl's family a lawyer, and now police are investigating the crime, because it is a crime in Germany. Even in Germany, 13 year-olds can't legally consent to group sex with adult men. But the police were doing nothing before Lavrov raised Cain except they put out a statement saying it never happened.
This is the best English-language story I can find on BBC, but FAZ has had more detailed coverage. The German police were doing exactly nothing until the Russian Foreign Minister got involved and they did deny to the press that any rape did happen:
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-eu-35413134
Note that reporter who wrote about the story and got the Russians involved is having charges laid against him in Germany for "incitement"!
But that's how seriously rape is taken in many countries. Admittedly, the cultural ethos in those countries has been strongly against rape. Then import a large group of men from cultures in which rape or sexual assault against "bad" women is not culturally disfavored, and you have the perfect storm. Then add social pressures not to say anything that might cause anger or distaste against this group, and you have the perfect burqa hurricane.
And I speak of cultures like this:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/04/turkish-court-reduces-rape-sentences
For decades - since I was in college - I have had good Muslim friends. It is not really a problem with Muslim culture, but with cultures with very misogynistic social structures. Islam probably actually teaches against this, but there has a been a warping of those teachings, and it is probably strongest in some Muslim enclaves in Europe and some Muslim enclaves in the midEast and in Africa. It also exists in some countries in Africa that are more Christian, and in rural areas in India, Pakistan and south Asia.
Women in the US have forgotten how fragile our current situation is, and how unique. If the position of women in our culture is not vigilantly defended, we will find out just how real the monster under the bed is.