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lumberjack_jeff

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36. People generally view politics through a group identity lens.
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jun 2012

So long as we liberals continue to use the phrase "white male" as a pejorative, it's unlikely to change.

This thread is an excellent example of the kind of condescension that the normal person would find repellent.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2008/05/obama_and_orwell.html

Orwell also rails against the condescension many on the left display toward those they profess to care most about. Describing a gathering of leftists in London, he says, "every person there, male and female, bore the worst stigmata of sniffish middle-class superiority. If a real working man, a miner dirty from the pit, for instance, had suddenly walked into their midst, they would have been embarrassed, angry and disgusted; some, I should think, would have fled holding their noses."...
The perennial struggle of Democratic contenders to appeal to ordinary Americans seems very much of a piece with Orwell's sharp descriptions. Election after election, Democrats argue that once Joe and Jane Sixpack fully grasp the wisdom of the latest six-point college-loan program, or of an 800-page health-care scheme, they will come to wave the Democratic banner. And, sometimes, these voters do just that—provided that the candidate in question has demonstrated a sense that he or she is not treating them as the subject of an anthropological study. Bill Clinton had a full steamer trunk of domestic programs; he also was a product of Georgetown, Oxford, and Yale Law School. But his 18 years in the vineyards of Arkansas politics gave him the tools to compete for support on a more visceral level. Then there were Clinton's obvious tastes for earthly pleasures—from Big Macs to more intimate diversions—which made it very hard to label him as an aloof elitist.


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That will happen flamingdem Jun 2012 #1
I've always said sports are the training ground for soldiers and it's blind soldiering valerief Jun 2012 #6
Me too flamingdem Jun 2012 #13
Interestingly enough (and humorous in a dark-humor sort of way), men coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #20
It's a scam like the army flamingdem Jun 2012 #40
I am strongly anti-pro football byeya Jun 2012 #22
Well I've never been anti-baseball flamingdem Jun 2012 #41
Sports are huge all around the world RZM Jun 2012 #39
The world is full of poor, brainwashed people, too. nt valerief Jun 2012 #62
So if this brainwashing were magically removed, what would people do for entertainment? RZM Jun 2012 #63
The Romans injected a lot into "sports" for the benefit of a crumbling empire Kennah Jun 2012 #71
When we stop using the term middle class? Mass Jun 2012 #2
The working class used to know who they were and who the bosses were... rfranklin Jun 2012 #3
Excellent poor. Working poor is more like it. nt valerief Jun 2012 #7
People say Middle Class when they should say Middle Income. byeya Jun 2012 #23
You just can't convince them that the real problem is income distribution to the top. brewens Jun 2012 #4
Never. NEVER bongbong Jun 2012 #5
Freedom. Boostraps. Independence. Being a man. valerief Jun 2012 #8
Those are all virtuous traits. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #48
How long can the RW convince them unionized 3rd grade teacher is a threat? bigbrother05 Jun 2012 #9
Plenty of dems in leadership positions are pushing that as well. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #54
Some people are stupid enough to be played, and... Speck Tater Jun 2012 #10
People wake up woo me with science Jun 2012 #11
more likely if they can't get their beer Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #18
When they get over their anger, hatred and fear of women and minorities. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #12
Ouch! Iggo Jun 2012 #49
Plus, they use abortion and teh gay as bait and switch meow2u3 Jun 2012 #14
This is what scares me about next week's election in Wisconsin demilib Jun 2012 #15
You are so right. Here are a few (paraphrased) quotes from people I know. LibDemAlways Jun 2012 #16
LMAO (but also crying inside). If you can plant 'Blazing Saddles' on your coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #21
One Aunt Thinks Dems Want To Kill Babies The Other Thinks Dems Want To Have Babies On Her Dime HangOnKids Jun 2012 #24
Husband's BIL treestar Jun 2012 #30
We must be relatives SoutherDem Jun 2012 #33
simple answers to simple questions wwytchwood Jun 2012 #17
The Repigs should only receive 1% of the vote, the Dems 10% and Democratic coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #19
And also, "Never give a sucker an even break" byeya Jun 2012 #25
Back in the 20s and 30s there was a robust Socialist platform for coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #29
That's Why Vote Rigging Has ALWAYS Existed HangOnKids Jun 2012 #26
Never. It's a tradition that began with the American Revolution. Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #27
Okay, this is an odd post. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #60
Plantation owners named Washington, Jefferson, Rutledge, Longstreet, Byrd, etc... Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #61
Then there is the Capt.Rocky300 Jun 2012 #28
Oh, man. HST never grows old. Truth in advertising: I attended high school coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #31
I think there's a saying onlyadream Jun 2012 #32
Maybe they do, or maybe most do realize this. Our Democratic leaders would get more votes if AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #34
+1. It's really tiresome to see the canard "lower-class white men are stupid" being pushed. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #55
+1 leftstreet Jun 2012 #73
Never!? SoutherDem Jun 2012 #35
People generally view politics through a group identity lens. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #36
We're not in England, many Dems are union workers flamingdem Jun 2012 #43
I'm data-driven. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #47
It will start when they realize class nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #37
Same thing with the religious right. They are stooges,fed a few crumbs by those who they support. ladjf Jun 2012 #38
Never nt Fresh_Start Jun 2012 #42
As a group? Never. (n/t) Iggo Jun 2012 #44
Mike Pappantonio called them cannon fodder, a label from the Civil War. Cleita Jun 2012 #45
The problem is they have the heads up their asses. LOL They is where you got to pull them southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #46
When will millions (now billions) of dollars of negative ads cease to have an effect? Stargleamer Jun 2012 #50
this thread may help to explain why that does not happen hfojvt Jun 2012 #51
Agreed it's like Republicans making racial marks about Blacks SpartanDem Jun 2012 #52
+1. When will upper-class dems stop denigrating their own constituencies? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #56
Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #59
Absolutely correct RZM Jun 2012 #66
Well said. jp11 Jun 2012 #70
When will dems stop dealing in stereotypes? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #53
When all the televisions spontaneously melt and the the broadcast infrastructure is swallowed Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #57
About an hour after it is too late to do a damn thing about it short of massive bloodshed. TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #58
NAIOP - Not Another Idiotic Original Post! whistler162 Jun 2012 #64
There was a time when it wasn't that way Major Nikon Jun 2012 #65
When we obliterate the propaganda mechanism Doctor_J Jun 2012 #67
When they get over their FEAR. alittlelark Jun 2012 #68
Awesome question. I wonder too! CoffeeCat Jun 2012 #69
In the words of Upton Sinclair 0rganism Jun 2012 #72
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