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tblue37

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24. I saw him reach across his body TWICE to the left inside pocket of his coat.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jan 2016

I got the impression that perhaps he couldn't quite decide at first whether he really wanted to go for the gun or not--thus vacillating between holding his hands up and moving suddenly to reach for the pocket on his left side.

(Another possibility is that he was pretending to surrender until he could steady his footing and get close enough for a clear shot at the LEO approaching him--but I suspect that vacillation is the more likely scenario.)

Also, when he suddenly veered into the snowbank he very nearly ran down one LEO standing in the snowbank near the roadblock.

Running at high speeds from the original stop, almost running down a cop or FBI agent, reaching twice to the pocket inside his coat (where, as it turned out, he had a fully loaded gun)--and all this after posing for weeks with his gun across his lap while announcing that he would never allow himself to be jailed--well, in this case I can't blame LEO for assuming that he was a genuine threat and that if they gave him the chance, he would try to kill them.

None of the other people were killed, because they surrendered without acting like a threat to LEO.

If the stories about arguments inside the vehicle he was driving are true, then perhaps the others realized he was likely to get them all killed. If he had been arguing with his pals, then after running the first roadbloack, driving fast to escape, and then being blocked again and veering into the snowbank and jumping out of the car, his adrenaline was probably pretty high. That's why I suspect he was torn between surrendering and grabbing his gun and blazing away.

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PREDICTION : Alex Jones will claim this was staged like the moon landing! bullwinkle428 Jan 2016 #1
Story I am hearing is that he was ordered to drop his weapon exboyfil Jan 2016 #4
Police don't say "drop your weapon" when no weapon is visible ... LannyDeVaney Jan 2016 #5
Police would never tell a person to pull out a weapon and drop it. NutmegYankee Jan 2016 #12
I'll get slammed for this, but I agree with your last polly7 Jan 2016 #13
his daughter get the facts before you make judgements snooper2 Jan 2016 #15
I don't find it funny. polly7 Jan 2016 #16
I believe the 18 year old female was his or another of the terrorists daughters snooper2 Jan 2016 #17
Does it matter who she was? You google it. polly7 Jan 2016 #20
He was just like any of those idiot school shooter nuts who want everyone to 'remember underahedgerow Jan 2016 #21
I guess we can expect a bunch of white guys in camo walking around saying Gman Jan 2016 #11
to be staged, he would have to be in on the staging salin Jan 2016 #25
That's what it looked like to me. hollowdweller Jan 2016 #26
c'est la vie. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #2
Wow wheniwasincongress Jan 2016 #3
Plane. FBI plane. n/t Maru Kitteh Jan 2016 #14
Well, he certainly wasn't running at them. Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #6
The full video shows him trying to speed past the roadblock, but being stopped by the snow alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #8
He seemed startled by the guy coming out of the trees behind him alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #7
If you were the cops wouldnt you have people hid on both sides of the road? hollowdweller Jan 2016 #27
Sure alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #30
Posted multiple times already Electric Monk Jan 2016 #9
and?> snooper2 Jan 2016 #10
Depends if you care more about a good signal to noise ratio, or having your name on the OP. Electric Monk Jan 2016 #18
LOL, we were having a T.38 debate at work just today snooper2 Jan 2016 #19
Totally good shoot. Lee-Lee Jan 2016 #22
Yep. Scurrilous Jan 2016 #23
I saw him reach across his body TWICE to the left inside pocket of his coat. tblue37 Jan 2016 #24
You guys have better eyes than I do, from the extremly poor guality of that vidxeo doc03 Jan 2016 #28
It's hard to see JesterCS Jan 2016 #29
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it Calista241 Jan 2016 #31
If he was African American, he'd have been just holding a bag of Skittles and generally Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #32
Really? You think it is that simple? Cal Carpenter Jan 2016 #33
except the bit where *this* guy was an adult, who had loudly promised to go down shooting phantom power Jan 2016 #34
Actually, not much difference in a similar case Shankapotomus Jan 2016 #35
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