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1StrongBlackMan

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74. First...
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jan 2016
The more meaningful number is how many Wall Street executives have gone to jail for playing a part in the crisis. That number is one. (Kareem Serageldin, a senior trader at Credit Suisse, is serving a 30-month sentence for inflating the value of mortgage bonds in his trading portfolio, allowing them to appear more valuable than they really were.) By way of contrast, following the savings-and-loan crisis of the 1980s, more than 1,000 bankers of all stripes were jailed for their transgressions.


This is exactly what I'm talking about ... First, both, the laws and the enforcement mechanisms have changed significantly since the '80s (and except for Dodd-Franks, not towards more enforcement). Comparing the two eras is like comparing liquor arrests in the 20s to those of today.

And of course a lot of cases now have the statue of limitations expired since they let these guys go, so they're getting off scott free


It's hard to argue against this point because you have yet to answer the "Prosecution of Who" and "For What" question; but, you are in good company ... no one has, including this article writer.

The fact is, the civil settlements reflect, not some corruption of law enforcement; but rather, the realities of criminal law enforcement ... in American jurisprudence the burdens of proof are far lower under civil prosecutions than under criminal, with in the latter, there must be specific facts developed against specific individuals. And the corporate structure is designed, exactly, to insulate the top individuals from the facts of the "crimes" that may have been done below.

That said, and after nearly 10 years of looking at this, I could identify only one high profile banker that could possibly be criminally prosecuted ... that would be Jamie Dimon, and for the (relatively) minor crime of knowingly signing an inaccurate corporate governance document required under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 ... which is/was, only, tangentially related to the melt-down.

On another note, all this "send the bankers to jail" talk betrays a fundamental misunderstanding/ignorance of financial/corporate criminality (that civil penalties recognizes), i.e., the threat of prison is NOT an effective deterrent to financial/corporate crimes ... again, it is the nature of the legal fiction of corporations to survive the death/removal of individuals (i.e., the jailing of individual CEOs/bankers will leave the corporation, wholly, unaffected); whereas, absent a corporate "death penalty" (which is largely non-existent in law), civil penalties do affect the corporations. (Note: While the number reached for the penalties has been/may be too low to have been effective, that is a different discussion.)

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Good! This sham corporate-driven rip-off of American workers needs to die & go away. nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #1
NAFTA comes to mind passed by the BIG Dog Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #4
Her “opposition” is tepid at best. Here’s what she said before she was against it dorkzilla Jan 2016 #9
Good summary, Dorkzilla. senz Jan 2016 #56
Hillary opposes the TPP just like... bvar22 Jan 2016 #51
It's not just American workers. pangaia Jan 2016 #13
... along with American democracy as we know it 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #20
And that also throughout the world. pangaia Jan 2016 #22
Yes. American democracy has been damaged quite enough as it is. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #25
A massive corporate coup. Cripples government. Body blow to democracy. senz Jan 2016 #58
You probably should have included that the negotiator in question was a part of the 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #2
That wouldn't fit in with the Obama bashing agenda. Hoyt Jan 2016 #5
Please point out Lazy Daisy Jan 2016 #12
How long have you been here? Don't you know Obama is an Establishment con man -- Keystone, TPP, Hoyt Jan 2016 #17
I hear he eats puppies late at night when watching Fallon... randys1 Jan 2016 #27
that's Michelle dlwickham Jan 2016 #52
What a thing to say! senz Jan 2016 #62
I oppose the TPP and support Obama. senz Jan 2016 #60
I guess though I criticize him on TPP, my praise for Obama on the Iran deal doesn't fit the bashing. cascadiance Jan 2016 #42
Okay. You don't like many of his policies, particularly his trade policies; but, tell me ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #47
There's been a lot of outright fraud, like banks falsifying loan documents, etc. for foreclosures cascadiance Jan 2016 #53
I'll just say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #61
The problem is that so many of the crimes had "deals" cut that exchanged criminal liability... cascadiance Jan 2016 #66
First... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #74
As another example mdbl Jan 2016 #71
Wake Up billhicks76 Jan 2016 #50
Not Obama-bashing. TPP bashing. senz Jan 2016 #59
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Thank you; but, I read the piece ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #11
It's right in the quote in the OP a2liberal Jan 2016 #16
What I am "complaining" about ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #54
I see not a single post a2liberal Jan 2016 #65
I've been about these parts for many a day ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #67
It's not whether those that didn't read the piece thought the bribed negotiator was an American ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #75
Toward the end: "It's not clear yet whether the bribe was related to the TPP itself..." NurseJackie Jan 2016 #10
Yeah, since the title didn't specifically say mindwalker_i Jan 2016 #24
And this makes a difference... how? pangaia Jan 2016 #14
PLUS ONE, a huge bunch! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #26
The U.S. negotiators don't need to take bribes elljay Jan 2016 #28
Wish we had a justice department that would actually prosecute bums like this in our country! cascadiance Jan 2016 #3
Exactly. forest444 Jan 2016 #8
How/why would the DoJ of the US ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #36
That's not what I'm asserting. Bums like this in OUR country, NOT Japan! cascadiance Jan 2016 #38
Oh, I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #57
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #6
So the TPP is supposed to work like politics, I guess. Pay to play. nt valerief Jan 2016 #15
Hooda guessed it? lpbk2713 Jan 2016 #18
Rich people get a better bang for their buck by corrupting the gatekeepers and keyholders rather GoneFishin Jan 2016 #43
The channel is every individual with money in Wall St. raouldukelives Jan 2016 #73
I pray this begins the death spiral of TPP and other treasonous "trade" agreements; nafta, cafta, Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #19
Yes, one criminal revealed - how many yet to be found. jwirr Jan 2016 #32
One need only look on the rosters of the secret tpp meetings to discover the treasonous criminals. Dont call me Shirley Jan 2016 #34
$148,000 is chump change for the US Wall Street/Corporate crooks that Elwood P Dowd Jan 2016 #21
+1 n/t Triana Jan 2016 #72
Go Figure libodem Jan 2016 #23
The TPP What? elljay Jan 2016 #29
Yep, the media blackout. senz Jan 2016 #63
This abomination needs to be killed WITH FIRE. AzDar Jan 2016 #30
He should have taken his bribes the legal way like Michael Froman did. Exit bonuses. pa28 Jan 2016 #31
That's how it works with the USTR revolving door of corporate control. Elwood P Dowd Jan 2016 #35
Why am I not surprised? Jack Rabbit Jan 2016 #33
Buying a politician is the best investment you can make. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #37
Or if your bribing a politician has been made legal by other bribery so that you don't have to worry cascadiance Jan 2016 #40
TPP Consequences Here: amborin Jan 2016 #39
OF COURSE he has! The whole gosh darned thing is one big huge corporate bribe. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #41
This is the world we live in. Rampant corruption. Bread and Circus Jan 2016 #44
I am amazed at the skill Uponthegears Jan 2016 #45
Obama is going to sign it into law on Feb. 4. Unknown Beatle Jan 2016 #46
Good Work Obama! billhicks76 Jan 2016 #48
There's a shocker. nt TBF Jan 2016 #49
Will our corporate media cover this AT ALL? nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #55
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Unless his behavior threatens the stability of the government rpannier Jan 2016 #68
Oh the surprise.... blackspade Jan 2016 #69
Was this guy operating during Clinton's time at the State Department? Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #70
TPP - it's the GOLD standard ish of the hammer Jan 2016 #76
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