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Atman

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30. Bullshit.

Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:03 PM

Jan 2016

Who are you defending? I used to be Assistant Registrar of Voters. Our training involved the inner workings of the old lever voting machines. They were fail-safe. They were perfect, really. Three redundant counters, plus a recorded paper tally (like an old player piano sheet music). Now we have magical computers which have copyrighted code and no access to normal folks like me, people who used to be able to look inside the voting machines and verify the vote counts. Now they're run by special interests and for-profit companies with agendas.

Creative speculation? Bullshit! It's just common sense. Too much money to be made. Why are billionaires running for a $450,000 a year job?

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Will the 2016 Primaries Be Electronically Rigged? [View all] marmar Jan 2016 OP

Bet on it. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #1

absolutely! yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #71

Transparency. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #72

Oh hell yes. Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #2

We have new machines, we mark a paper ballot, take it over to be scanned, view the result peacebird Jan 2016 #3

depends on wether they count the ballots or not questionseverything Jan 2016 #48

We don't have honest elections in this country. SamKnause Jan 2016 #4

I see people all ready leftynyc Jan 2016 #5

Whatever. Perhaps you should start making up your own excuses. marmar Jan 2016 #6

Don't need one leftynyc Jan 2016 #20

what if everyone takes a photo of their vote? restorefreedom Jan 2016 #7

It really shouldn't be that hard. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #8

it shouldn't. but tptb will not go down easy. they are not restorefreedom Jan 2016 #9

I posted this a while back Melurkyoulongtime Jan 2016 #39

its worth a try, if nothing else, to stop the temptation to cheat. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #41

That would work only if SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #52

isn't each ballot numbered? restorefreedom Jan 2016 #53

Almost certainly, I imagine, now that you mention it. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #55

that is a great idea! electronic is inviting trouble. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #56

. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #59

Don't you know, if sanders wins, is legit, if Hillary wins lunamagica Jan 2016 #10

Yeah. And....well? Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #11

And? this is unbelievable. You are already making excuses for your guy losing lunamagica Jan 2016 #12

What if it IS rigged? n/t Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #15

What will you say if he wins? lunamagica Jan 2016 #16

That it probably wasn't rigged. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #22

Why would you believe that if Sanders wins "it problably wasn't rigged", but if Hillary wins lunamagica Jan 2016 #27

Because Clinton seems part of an aristocracy that I thought we left in England elias49 Jan 2016 #34

General horse sense compiled from being a reasonably astute observer... Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #36

She's ahead in the polls. her winning would only be consistent with it lunamagica Jan 2016 #37

I can't help how it "looks". Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #42

Of course I'm NOT OK with that! lunamagica Jan 2016 #45

How about this?: " Sanders won in spite of being rigged." In order to do this, Sanders Cal33 Jan 2016 #43

I'm guessing selective memory is already replacing Hortensis Jan 2016 #21

Looks like it. So pathetic lunamagica Jan 2016 #31

I do think someone should take a hard look at early votes and mailin votes and where they come from. Sunlei Jan 2016 #13

Microsoft is working on it.... Wounded Bear Jan 2016 #14

Inexcusable IMO elias49 Jan 2016 #38

Conspiracy theories belong in CREATIVE SPECULATION brooklynite Jan 2016 #17

Bullshit. Atman Jan 2016 #30

...and I used to be a Ward Committeeman in Philly brooklynite Jan 2016 #40

judge rawl said he lost because of electronic rigging questionseverything Jan 2016 #50

What is this conspiracy theory nonsense? CommonSenseDemocrat Jan 2016 #18

Thank you for clearing that all up. Atman Jan 2016 #32

I thought voter fraud was a right wing conspiracy. karadax Jan 2016 #19

Voter fraud and voting fraud are two quite different things Fumesucker Jan 2016 #25

^^This. Atman Jan 2016 #33

The question was about election fraud, not voter fraud. But you knew that, and valerief Jan 2016 #29

Rigging = Super Delegates Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #23

Every one of the 3,143 US counties could hire techs to monitor machines from voter input to ancianita Jan 2016 #24

or we could use paper ballots and have 5th graders count them questionseverything Jan 2016 #51

I'm totally down with paper ballots. But the printing and shipping costs would be ancianita Jan 2016 #58

paper ballots counted at the precinct in full view is the answer questionseverything Jan 2016 #60

Not completely. Watching the entire shipping route to the point of state certification ancianita Jan 2016 #62

the ballots themselves do not need to be shipped questionseverything Jan 2016 #63

Works for me. ancianita Jan 2016 #64

thank you for being interested questionseverything Jan 2016 #65

Hell, I've been bitching on the nets about vote rigging and $ in politics since 2008. ancianita Jan 2016 #66

have you seen the rta election rigging case? questionseverything Jan 2016 #67

Yes! I don't know what legal teams are on this. More evidence should get courts moving. ancianita Jan 2016 #68

Yes librechik Jan 2016 #26

Bradblog.com has been tracking electronically rigged elections for years. valerief Jan 2016 #28

Bet on it. azmom Jan 2016 #35

Lots of red states now. moondust Jan 2016 #44

Jeb Bush has a surprise GOP victory? Matariki Jan 2016 #46

Pencil on paper ballots with public hand counting. eom JEB Jan 2016 #47

Good god, YES. ^^^^^^^ Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #49

Hell, colored marbles in a jar at this point would be better Separation Jan 2016 #54

The caucuses will be a big, confusing mess, because they always are. pnwmom Jan 2016 #57

One campaign already got spanked for some shady hacking mwrguy Jan 2016 #61

I don't know about other states, but in MN caucuses there are no electronics involved. Thor_MN Jan 2016 #69

Got a new rigging case here. ancianita Jan 2016 #70

Bookmarked. One of the most disgusting threads Pathwalker Jan 2016 #73

Don't Vote, Don't Vote, Don't Vote, .... This is voter suppression psychology at work. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #74