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Sat Jan 30, 2016, 04:49 PM

69. Thank you, kind fan. The Christians have no good answer for me on that.


They come back with, "Well you can be a Christian and believe anything you want."

And I say, "Wrong. No Christianity without original sin. If you weren't born with original sin you don't need substitutionary atonement through Jesus." I sat through enough church services saying The Apostles' Creed and feeling like a fool to know that. Sometimes they say, "What is substitutionary atonement? Never heard that word."

It took me many years of going through various Christian churches and realizing how soul-destroying that is to formulate what is wrong with Christianity. And reading "Healing the Shame That Binds You" by John Bradshaw, Ph.D. and former Jesuit priest.

Took me many years to condense the problem of Christianity in society, especially among the depressed and suicidal, and how it makes people feel worse, but you can't talk about that. It's socially sanctioned emotional abuse.

You're hurting, you're depressed, life is tough. You go to church seeking help to feel better. Do they tell you you're OK? No, they tell you you're a worthless sinner, "our righteousness is as filthy rags" etc.

They set you up as a worthless sinner, THEN tell you the only answer is to believe that Jesus is God and everything will get better if you pray hard enough and read your Bible (which doesn't have a lot of answers fitting for the modern world). If things don't get better they accuse you of being not spiritual enough and not praying hard enough, which is pretty insulting.

And they tell you you have free will, but if you don't love God, he'll send you to hell! For an eternity of suffering! Gee what a nice guy! That's not free will. That is what is legally called duress. Like holding a gun to someone's head to make them do something.

I was supposed to feel the presence of the lord, or feel some warmth or have some spiritual experience. I did everything I was supposed to do and felt nothing different.Prayers were not answered, not that I could tell, and nothing got better. I just felt worse from being put down as an affront to my human dignity, by a preacher that was preaching blanket doctrine. A preacher that didn't know me personally or anything about my life. I could not see anything directly attributable to praying. I had a real problem with causality because I saw nothing getting better and nothing connected to prayer.

Then I decided that the people I was with in the congregation were probably under a mass delusion. They were feeling the way they did spiritually because they were told and expected to feel a certain way. I never felt any of it. So I walked away.

I had to get the strength to walk away, or become completely immobile and numb.


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