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79. Think of the children!

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 12:26 PM

Feb 2016

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After keeping him in prison for literally half his life, Georgia executed a 72 year old man. [View all] CBGLuthier Feb 2016 OP

We really need to get past this death by state madokie Feb 2016 #1

i too hate it when criminals kill their victim and/or abduct and torture them MariaThinks Feb 2016 #4

Are you trying to suggest those opposed to the death penalty aren't? Major Nikon Feb 2016 #5

As long as your bronze age bloodlust is satiated, it's all good Orrex Feb 2016 #7

If there were any other option with zero recidivism you'd have a point whatthehey Feb 2016 #16

You're setting a false and impossible standard Orrex Feb 2016 #18

Defense lawyers have had since 1979 to cast doubt on his guilt NT 1939 Feb 2016 #77

Well, as irrelevant points go, that's pretty much irrelevant Orrex Feb 2016 #78

Some just seem to have developed the taste.... daleanime Feb 2016 #133

Can you guarantee that everyone executed is in fact guilty? alarimer Feb 2016 #23

Why is this obvious point so hard for some people to comprehend? Orrex Feb 2016 #81

some of us are on the wrong side of the evolutionary bell curve.. TimeToEvolve Feb 2016 #130

I support the death penalty, but I also support a moritorium on older cases from when we didn't Ghost in the Machine Feb 2016 #143

In cases such as you mentioned above, I completely agree with the DP. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #147

It seems to me like some people are more concerned about the "rights" of a murderer than they Ghost in the Machine Feb 2016 #159

Very reasonable... TipTok Feb 2016 #152

Thank you, TipTok. I know what you mean about the confession part... 'they were coerced', Ghost in the Machine Feb 2016 #160

Cops lie and eyewitness accounts are woefully unreliable . Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #196

Your "Confessions" argumeny was already addressed in post #152... As for "grainy video", Ghost in the Machine Feb 2016 #197

I don't know what the problem is but banks, ATMs and convenience stores must pay extra for grainy. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #198

You have some valid points, but this..... Ghost in the Machine Feb 2016 #200

+1,000 malaise Feb 2016 #163

can you guarantee that every convicted killer will not kill again MariaThinks Feb 2016 #219

Hooray for summary executions! Hooray! Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #134

Also, what on earth are you talking about Death Penalty opponents having "blood lust"? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #169

your ability to have a rational discussion on an important topic about life and death MariaThinks Feb 2016 #149

Gommint can't do nothin' right jpak Feb 2016 #155

If you don't like being called out for bloodlust, then provide another justification Orrex Feb 2016 #220

Really? Because I absolutely love when innocent people get killed by criminals! Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #50

........ daleanime Feb 2016 #131

You must hate W jpak Feb 2016 #154

Enjoy your short stay. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #210

Did not even have to look to know what race he was. n/t dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #6

As far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter madokie Feb 2016 #9

Agreed. n/t dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #57

What? You think all robbers and murderers come from one race? TipTok Feb 2016 #28

No, I don't. n/t dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #56

So why would you assume? TipTok Feb 2016 #62

No, but a significantly higher proportion of non-white offenders Ms. Toad Feb 2016 #192

Amen..... daleanime Feb 2016 #129

I'm not for capital punishment either. cwydro Feb 2016 #2

agreed MariaThinks Feb 2016 #3

"Jones later told another officer, "There is a man in the back - hurt bad," court records said. femmedem Feb 2016 #8

Respectfully, two different juries disagreed. branford Feb 2016 #10

Oh I am quite confident those 24 people were his "peers." CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #12

You've just made an allegation that racism irreparably tainted Jones' two trials. branford Feb 2016 #27

No, I am not willing to do the research. I am just confident in how Georgia operated in the CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #31

If you want to oppose the death penalty on principle, fine. branford Feb 2016 #39

He was 72 years old at the time of execution gyroscope Feb 2016 #11

36 years in prison. They basically gave him a life sentence followed by death. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #13

What would you rather do? gyroscope Feb 2016 #14

No, obtuse one, I believe in a life sentence. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #19

Like you said gyroscope Feb 2016 #20

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #21

My sympathy lies with the victim gyroscope Feb 2016 #24

Oh, I have a life. Unlike the man just murdered in your name. CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #26

He lived a long life gyroscope Feb 2016 #30

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #32

So the State of Georgia Uponthegears Feb 2016 #158

Scandanavian countries have max 21 year sentences for any crime yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #42

Interesting, I wonder what the recidivism rates are for grown men who rape babies snooper2 Feb 2016 #59

Probably low. That's the difference between our country yeoman6987 Feb 2016 #63

Now, I think that is complete bullshit. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #148

"There are some people who should never walk freely in normal society ever again"... Ghost in the Machine Feb 2016 #199

Must there be a presumption that they would kill again? HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #22

Do you think it likely that a 72 year old would go on a killing spree? Orrex Feb 2016 #25

Like I said gyroscope Feb 2016 #29

Except it's been shown that is not the case kcr Feb 2016 #37

You can't know that gyroscope Feb 2016 #38

Not big on science, eh? n/t kcr Feb 2016 #44

Science can read people's minds and know their intent? gyroscope Feb 2016 #49

Don't need your permission, but thanks. I'll believe the facts. kcr Feb 2016 #52

Problem solved. Orrex Feb 2016 #40

Thats your opinion nt gyroscope Feb 2016 #43

My opinion is correct, and it doesn't result in state-sanctioned murder Orrex Feb 2016 #53

Your opinion is wrong gyroscope Feb 2016 #58

You are wrong because you are arguing from emotionalism. Orrex Feb 2016 #65

Emotion has nothing to do with it gyroscope Feb 2016 #68

You're not reading what you're writing. Orrex Feb 2016 #71

You're not going to be emotional gyroscope Feb 2016 #76

Think of the children! Major Nikon Feb 2016 #79

Again, you ask a boorish question to provoke an emotional response. Orrex Feb 2016 #80

Like it or not, people are going to be emotional when it comes to heinous crimes gyroscope Feb 2016 #82

Again, that's not the point. How can you not see this? Orrex Feb 2016 #89

Who says the law is driven by emotion? gyroscope Feb 2016 #91

You're full of shenanigans. Full stop. Orrex Feb 2016 #92

You're full of crap, full stop gyroscope Feb 2016 #140

But you are being emotional, and you have been since the outset Orrex Feb 2016 #145

No, it's fact. Murder rates did not go up in states that abolished the death penalty. jeff47 Feb 2016 #132

Doesn't matter if it does or not gyroscope Feb 2016 #135

It does matter when you claim the deterrent effect is the reason to keep it. jeff47 Feb 2016 #138

That's not the only reason to keep it gyroscope Feb 2016 #141

If you oppose the death penalty, branford Feb 2016 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author gyroscope Feb 2016 #41

Life without parole is morally superior to capital punishment Orrex Feb 2016 #46

Defendants already have ample reviews of both their convictions and sentences branford Feb 2016 #54

Is life in one state more valuable than in another? Orrex Feb 2016 #67

We live in a federal republic, with states retaining significant policing and other powers. branford Feb 2016 #73

"Separate but equal" then. Got it. Orrex Feb 2016 #75

No, not at all, and the "separate but equal" jibe is both needlessly insulting and offensive branford Feb 2016 #83

Perhaps, but I was making a point. Orrex Feb 2016 #87

Again, the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that capital punishment is indeed constitutional. branford Feb 2016 #94

I'm not comfortable with the phrase "viable punishment" Orrex Feb 2016 #96

Sorry, my prior post about LWOP was intended to reply to post #22 by HereSince1628 nt branford Feb 2016 #45

you mean like this guy ? Angel Martin Feb 2016 #186

The article isn't clear Orrex Feb 2016 #189

I think letting this man continue to live in jail after he'd already been there 36 years kcr Feb 2016 #33

I appreciate your passion, but please educate yourself as ... 11 Bravo Feb 2016 #115

For the record, I hope you realize Bernie is opposed to the death penalty. bullwinkle428 Feb 2016 #35

Being a supporter of someone gyroscope Feb 2016 #36

Insane. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #15

Lynching? branford Feb 2016 #48

Are you suggesting that only black people receive the death penalty? TipTok Feb 2016 #84

Actually, it's the race of the victim more than that of the perp that correlates with use of the DP KamaAina Feb 2016 #98

That's possible... TipTok Feb 2016 #101

Not just possible...proven..... msanthrope Feb 2016 #162

No one is arguing with you... TipTok Feb 2016 #164

Kill! Kill! Kill! Iggo Feb 2016 #17

Thankfully, the victim magically came back to life the moment Jones drew his last breath. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #47

Does putting the perp in jail bring the victim back to life? gyroscope Feb 2016 #51

No. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #55

Many murderers TeddyR Feb 2016 #64

I wouldn't say "many" do. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #70

I agree that "many" was the wrong word TeddyR Feb 2016 #93

The problem is.... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #99

Are you telling me that imprisoning them for life does? TipTok Feb 2016 #100

No, I'm not telling you that. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #102

The DP also removes them from society... TipTok Feb 2016 #104

But they've already been removed from society at that point. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #105

Punishment, justice, deterrence and no possibility of escape... TipTok Feb 2016 #106

#1 and #2 have already been accomplished by a life prison sentence. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #107

Some would disagree about 1 and 2... TipTok Feb 2016 #109

Being imprisoned for life isn't punishment or justice? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #111

Imprisonment is one variant... TipTok Feb 2016 #112

But again, what would the death penalty accomplish that life without parole wouldn't? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #113

Not at all... TipTok Feb 2016 #116

If not God, then natural law. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #123

We have a fundamental disagreement... TipTok Feb 2016 #124

Punishment is seperate from the question of death. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #126

It is supposed to be the ultimate deterrent toward crime...works great right? Rex Feb 2016 #121

What I don't get about the deterrance thing...... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #125

I agree, I doubt it has ever deterred a single criminal. Rex Feb 2016 #128

Capital punishment is a moral disgrace. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #60

Death Penalty Information Sheet OnlinePoker Feb 2016 #61

I found it disgusting... Phentex Feb 2016 #66

People who support the death penalty ronnie624 Feb 2016 #69

They do, but they just don't care Major Nikon Feb 2016 #72

It is definitely a very clearly implied element of their 'reasoning'. ronnie624 Feb 2016 #86

...are killers. Iggo Feb 2016 #74

But people who have spent decades on death row have been cleared and let go! killbotfactory Feb 2016 #90

Case in point. ronnie624 Feb 2016 #95

That story gets even better (or worse) Major Nikon Feb 2016 #97

Sold him to the knacker, before the upkeep got too expensive. hunter Feb 2016 #85

barbaric = hyperbole. The guy was given a drug to make him fall asleep. While jonno99 Feb 2016 #108

I don't respect your opinion. hunter Feb 2016 #110

Civilized? As I said elswhere in this thread, life is precious, and those who throw jonno99 Feb 2016 #118

Nope. I don't respect that world view. hunter Feb 2016 #119

Ok. nt jonno99 Feb 2016 #122

So under that logic, shouldn't we execute anyone convicted of a homicide offense? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #127

I understand your position: jonno99 Feb 2016 #139

No, you don't. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #142

Let's not fool ourselves jonno99 Feb 2016 #144

Lethal injection--and all other methods--is barbaric. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #146

Or - you could argue jonno99 Feb 2016 #151

Um, no. It's not. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #167

+1 Uponthegears Feb 2016 #191

We didn't behead him in the streets in front of a crowd, though, because we are civilized. nt killbotfactory Feb 2016 #88

Fortunately, America has yet to reach the level of civilization in which killing people is Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #103

"killing people is considered immoral" I think the arguement can be made that jonno99 Feb 2016 #114

There's a lot of ex or current soldiers who haven't paid the old testament price. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #117

Why limit it to soldiers? We need to throw cops in there too - right? jonno99 Feb 2016 #120

I get it. "Just following orders" lets them off the hook of the eye-for-an-eye penalty. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #150

"Just following orders"? What are you talking about? Soldiers on a battlefield haven't chosen to jonno99 Feb 2016 #153

No. You're the one calling for an eye for eye. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #156

Nobody on this thread is suggesting "eye for an eye" - certainly not me. jonno99 Feb 2016 #161

Well, it sure sounds like it. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #168

I agree, disgusting. Should have been executed decades ago, like his fellow murdering Waldorf Feb 2016 #136

Hooray for summary executions! nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #137

Do not take this personally Uponthegears Feb 2016 #157

DU is not a meeting place for liberals, branford Feb 2016 #165

This is one of those "wrong side of history" issues Orrex Feb 2016 #166

I believe some of the greatest impediments to the democratic abolition of capital punishment branford Feb 2016 #170

That is a deflection Orrex Feb 2016 #171

Wildly unsupported? branford Feb 2016 #174

Seriously? Orrex Feb 2016 #178

Or in the 1850's: "I believe that some of the greatest impediments to the democratic abolition of... xocet Feb 2016 #187

Point 1 Uponthegears Feb 2016 #175

Let's discuss this counselor Uponthegears Feb 2016 #177

so people who disagree with you are 'beyond disgusting'? hfojvt Feb 2016 #172

I don't know if I'd characterize it as "disgusting." Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #173

Changing the attitude from hostility and disgust branford Feb 2016 #176

The story is the story, and you can charactarize it however you like. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #179

It not characterizing the story as "disgusting" that's the problem, branford Feb 2016 #180

The OP posted the story, and after the link simply said "Disgusting." Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #181

The OP was banned from his own thread because of his accusations and insults, branford Feb 2016 #182

Doesn't change the fact you and the other poster misread the original post. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #183

No, I commented on it in the context of the OP's and other's posts. branford Feb 2016 #184

I'm sure some do. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #185

The future Uponthegears Feb 2016 #190

welcome to DU hfojvt Feb 2016 #194

It's tough Uponthegears Feb 2016 #195

funny what passes for debate with some people hfojvt Feb 2016 #201

Thanks, in a way Uponthegears Feb 2016 #203

You're a little fuzzy on what constitutes the Democratic Party's position on capital punishment. branford Feb 2016 #204

Oh, I am fully Uponthegears Feb 2016 #205

Our values? branford Feb 2016 #206

Why yes Uponthegears Feb 2016 #207

It's revenge instead of justice once again. n/t xocet Feb 2016 #188

I keep refreshing, and it still SAYS democraticunderground.com . . . Ms. Toad Feb 2016 #193

Read the Democratic Platform, branford Feb 2016 #202

Support for the death penalty Ms. Toad Feb 2016 #208

You are certainly entitled to your opinion about capital punishment, branford Feb 2016 #209

So you oppose TeddyR Feb 2016 #226

Justice? Uponthegears Feb 2016 #227

You really think TeddyR Feb 2016 #234

Let's roll Uponthegears Feb 2016 #236

Lol, real dems get it. Unlike you. Look at the countries who support the DP. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #211

"Real Dems?" branford Feb 2016 #212

It is obvious you're clueless on this topic...... Logical Feb 2016 #213

You're only arguing what you believe the Democrat Party *should* collectively believe, branford Feb 2016 #215

Are you saying the democratic party platform never changes? noamnety Feb 2016 #216

No, the Platform can most certainly change if sufficient Democrats want it to change. branford Feb 2016 #217

Easier advice to give than take, eh? noamnety Feb 2016 #218

You avoided the point. branford Feb 2016 #221

You are mistaken. noamnety Feb 2016 #222

Well, then you should have absolutely no problem changing the Democratic Platform. branford Feb 2016 #224

At least you exposed yourself for future considerations. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #223

All the platform proves Uponthegears Feb 2016 #225

So true! nt Logical Feb 2016 #228

LOL, so when "the party" was against gay marriage you were for that also? Fucking think for yourself Logical Feb 2016 #229

I more than comfortable with my support for capital punishment, branford Feb 2016 #230

And if the party changed their mind tomorrow and stated it, would you change too? nt Logical Feb 2016 #231

No, I probably would not. branford Feb 2016 #232

Why do you support it? More costly than life. No deterrent. And ripe with errors. nt Logical Feb 2016 #233

Simply, I believe some crimes are sufficiently heinous to warrant the ultimate punishment. branford Feb 2016 #235

there are sick fucks everywhere Skittles Feb 2016 #214