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thucythucy

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32. And yet societies with the greatest concentrations of wealth
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:07 AM
Feb 2016

tend to be societies that atrophy and die.

Think of France prior to the revolution, or Tsarist Russia. Think of the Roman empire once the republic was essentially abandoned and wealth became concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. After conquering Greece (and assimilating much of its culture) the Romans essentially did nothing in terms of progress--no great inventions, few if any great voyages of exploration. Why invest in new technologies when you can simply buy more slaves or mercenaries to do your bidding? By contrast, Britain had its greatest expansion both politically and technologically when the power of the royals began to be limited, and it became "a nation of shopkeepers," that is, a growing middle class.

Great wealth of the kind we're discussing here--on a level with the Koch brothers for instance--impedes the ability of others to innovate. Look at what's happened in terms of alternative energy. The Kochs have repeatedly manipulated both the markets and, increasingly, local state and federal governments to protect their ability to accumulate more wealth. Their jihad against climate science has delayed progress on dealing with global warming now for at least a decade--to the point where the entire planet is now in jeopardy.

Humans do very well with limits. We have limited strength, limited life spans, limited ability to manipulate time and space. Try raising a child without setting any limits. Try driving to work sometime without obeying "limits" such as stop signs, red lights, speed limits, and see what happens.

We did very well when the top income brackets, under Eisenhower, were taxed upwards of ninety-percent.

Sure, some people will always try to test the limits, some legally, some not. That's not an argument per se against limits.

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It is worth looking into... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #1
I think it's the same mental glitch that makes people hoard cats, hifiguy Feb 2016 #3
Indeed, even a life of intense hedonism and or big projects... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #7
yes, with an intervention grasswire Feb 2016 #2
Civilization is a resource concentration mechanism The2ndWheel Feb 2016 #4
Wealth, Power and Influence aught come with some degree of responsibility. /nt JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #8
And yet societies with the greatest concentrations of wealth thucythucy Feb 2016 #32
Most definitely. I've said this for years Dems to Win Feb 2016 #5
Actually, when it has such a negative impact on society as a whole, I think it should smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #6
whatever goes up shanti Feb 2016 #9
the greedy are parasites olddots Feb 2016 #10
I am uncertain if it is a mental illness peasant one Feb 2016 #11
Who was it again who said thucythucy Feb 2016 #33
And not as a virtue burrowowl Feb 2016 #12
If so, there were a lot of long lines of Powerball players a couple of weeks ago, Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #13
Nope. The kind of greed I am referring to hifiguy Feb 2016 #14
Ah. So it's really the "lying, cheating, and stealing" that is the mental disorder here, Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #16
I too pretend that greed is same thing as desperation LanternWaste Feb 2016 #25
It's the system. moondust Feb 2016 #15
Greed Is Good. sir pball Feb 2016 #17
Yes. It's an obsession. nt bemildred Feb 2016 #18
No, someone will try to apply "greed" to explain their crimes. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #19
Works for me! nt raccoon Feb 2016 #20
Yes, of course, probably related to OCD Trailrider1951 Feb 2016 #21
Dopamine: Politics, Religion, and Power Donkees Feb 2016 #22
We would have to treat one whole wing of the GOP (the establishment 'greed' wing) as mentally ill. pampango Feb 2016 #23
Ask your doctor if Avarist is right enough for you! Octafish Feb 2016 #24
Any one with over a billion is seriously ill randr Feb 2016 #26
Could it be OkSustainAg Feb 2016 #27
I think so. Probably related to OCD. hifiguy Feb 2016 #35
Living in a resort area we see first hand how the rich spend. mountain grammy Feb 2016 #28
Time to lock up all the rich. ileus Feb 2016 #29
Long overdue eom NowSam Feb 2016 #30
No. You can't lump it in with mental illness because... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #31
Interesting point. NT thucythucy Feb 2016 #34
Are you kidding? leftyladyfrommo Feb 2016 #36
Greed is a social disease. GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #37
How do we cure the greedy? Throd Feb 2016 #38
It is an addiction. The one with the greatest toll on society. Half-Century Man Feb 2016 #39
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