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WillowTree

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31. The point was that your reference to "20% profits" was inaccurate as things now stand.

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Thu Feb 4, 2016, 10:13 AM

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Insurance companies losing money on ACA [View all] eridani Feb 2016 OP

Yep. Because providers aren't losing money. Recursion Feb 2016 #1

Under single payer, providers will have to negotiate eridani Feb 2016 #2

So you say. Hasn't worked for either with Medicare yet. Recursion Feb 2016 #3

Then why are doctors always grousing about Medicare payment rates? n/t eridani Feb 2016 #5

Good question. They're being overpayed by 20% by the law Recursion Feb 2016 #10

IOW, government sets the rates eridani Feb 2016 #11

Government sets the rate and then is *TERRIFIED* to stick to it Recursion Feb 2016 #14

That is no reason not to fight for health care as a human right. n/t eridani Feb 2016 #17

I agree. It's a reason to fight against single payer as the mechanism to achieve it (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #18

Singel payer is the best way to achieve universal health care eridani Feb 2016 #32

Asserting that over and over doesn't make it true Recursion Feb 2016 #33

They do nothing of the sort. Wherever private insurance is involved-- eridani Feb 2016 #34

Right, which is a "multi-payer global budget system", rather than single payer Recursion Feb 2016 #35

Government dictating the parameters of health care financing is single payer eridani Feb 2016 #36

You can't just make up what words mean! "Single payer" says it all right there: one entity pays. Recursion Feb 2016 #37

IMO the way to get any kind of oversight is to start out insisting on single payer eridani Feb 2016 #38

That's because Congress (Repubs to be specific) made it illegal for Medicare to negotiate block Hoppy Feb 2016 #19

And you don't think that would continue with single payer? (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #23

Depends --- If Hillary is Pres, forget about it. Hoppy Feb 2016 #24

Fair point Recursion Feb 2016 #25

Sorry. Don't Believe It ProfessorGAC Feb 2016 #4

That may be true, but the bottom line is still that they really hate-- eridani Feb 2016 #7

No Debate On That Point ProfessorGAC Feb 2016 #8

Mandated systems only work if the mandate has teeth. The problem with the ACA was the penalty... PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #6

Losing more money or making less of a profit, but still making 20% profits B Calm Feb 2016 #9

+1000. closeupready Feb 2016 #12

As I understood the OP, it was only ACA plans cutting into the bottom line eridani Feb 2016 #13

Where do you get "20% profits"? WillowTree Feb 2016 #27

So those high CEO salaries are the reason they want to change it to 60/40 instead of 80/20, got it! B Calm Feb 2016 #29

The point was that your reference to "20% profits" was inaccurate as things now stand. WillowTree Feb 2016 #31

Is that true? Drahthaardogs Feb 2016 #40

ACA requires heath insurers to spend 80% on health care. B Calm Feb 2016 #42

Translation: the CEO could only get a $5 million bonus, not a $10 million bonus. Vinca Feb 2016 #15

Are they begging for a Public Option? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #16

What's going wrong is that moochers are getting sick. Hoppy Feb 2016 #20

No, what's wrong is....... WillowTree Feb 2016 #30

Establish a public option.... Adrahil Feb 2016 #21

or perhaps mercuryblues Feb 2016 #22

Elect Democrats to the House and Senate and give them the Legislative Agenda. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #26

More like they are whining that they can't make more than 20% profit as ACA dictates and B Calm Feb 2016 #28

Fucking leeches! smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #39

This has been all over the news here in NC. The mandate must have real teeth for the idea to work Lee-Lee Feb 2016 #41

Yeah, in jail they'll get health care anyway and it won't cost them a dime Ligyron Feb 2016 #44

fuck them madokie Feb 2016 #43