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99. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time...

Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:25 AM

Feb 2016

We can talk about the regressed culture and religion that influenced this particular case and resulted in this specific girl getting shot...

AND...

We can talk about the historical facts of what has happened under theocratic regimes and infer what would happen if the west was unfortunate enough to fall under such a thing.

You don't have to tell me that Muslim societies suck for women. I've been nose to nose. I can also tell you that a society dominated by Christian theology isn't that great either. Women aren't that high on the totem poll there either.

For a modern example, check out the FLDS and for a historical example give a glance to the entire history of the Vatican. There are other examples.

Christian theocracies aren't a hypothetical. They have happened and were nasty places to live, especially for women.

I am absolutely comfortable saying that Western society is superior to the regressed Islamic societies but that is despite our Christian influences and not because of it.

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Her Father Shot Her in the Head, as an �Honor Killing� [View all] FLPanhandle Feb 2016 OP

Islam: The religion of peace that we should all respect. n/t Binkie The Clown Feb 2016 #1

honor killings aren't only done in the name of religion ya know. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #5

Who else are you referring to? TipTok Feb 2016 #12

Other civilizations and cultures in general. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #17

You might want to read up on honor killings. Squinch Feb 2016 #34

It's not an exclusively Muslim issue LeftishBrit Feb 2016 #169

True. It's also called for in the Old Testament. And for those who say it's a "cultural" issue... Binkie The Clown Feb 2016 #173

And to criticize this barbarism is to make me a "bigot", apparently. n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #2

Right kcr Feb 2016 #3

No, but when the choice is Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #24

Not sure if you meant to respond to me kcr Feb 2016 #44

No it doesn't treestar Feb 2016 #51

+1 daleanime Feb 2016 #79

Unless you're using cases like the OP to argue that all Muslims are filthy savages... nomorenomore08 Feb 2016 #74

I hear ya... I can't imagine hurting a stranger because an imaginary red and blue line tells me to. LanternWaste Feb 2016 #4

Shame is a powerful primate force. byronius Feb 2016 #6

Fundy Christians and Islam most dangerous orgs on Earth. ErikJ Feb 2016 #7

And here we go again leftynyc Feb 2016 #10

One group kills in the name of their God pretty regularly... TipTok Feb 2016 #14

I have no idea what leftynyc Feb 2016 #16

Here's a link to clarify... TipTok Feb 2016 #31

Do numbers play any part? FrodosPet Feb 2016 #38

As I said... TipTok Feb 2016 #39

So you went with leftynyc Feb 2016 #41

Are you forgetting that it took years to infiltrate the FLDS wackos... TipTok Feb 2016 #49

IF IF IF IF leftynyc Feb 2016 #86

Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time... TipTok Feb 2016 #99

No - all you do leftynyc Feb 2016 #106

Back again to arguing the merits of rape vs murder.... TipTok Feb 2016 #107

I think you look leftynyc Feb 2016 #108

This conversation has likely shed light to a few on an important topic.... TipTok Feb 2016 #111

YOU accuse ME of false accusations? leftynyc Feb 2016 #118

If your post is 118... TipTok Feb 2016 #121

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #171

Please excuse their confusion and unfamiliarity with fact. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #95

So you're OK with leftynyc Feb 2016 #120

you seem to have a problem. Several. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #122

Gee, so sorry that leftynyc Feb 2016 #123

your sister's in a muslim country? ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2016 #124

LOL - now a grammar nazi leftynyc Feb 2016 #126

Literally no one has displayed anything but sympathy for the daughter... TipTok Feb 2016 #127

Oh - please do point out where leftynyc Feb 2016 #132

Do you need someone to explicity spell out and affirm that shooting girls in the head is bad... TipTok Feb 2016 #135

Contribute to what? leftynyc Feb 2016 #137

As I said before... The adults in the room can do both... TipTok Feb 2016 #139

Then why couldn't you? (n/t) leftynyc Feb 2016 #144

I made the apparently erroneous assumption that we were all in agreement that shooting children... TipTok Feb 2016 #146

Pretending this was merely leftynyc Feb 2016 #159

It is possible to stay on topic... TipTok Feb 2016 #160

I'm not dictating anything leftynyc Feb 2016 #162

Are you sure? TipTok Feb 2016 #164

That's not what I said at all leftynyc Feb 2016 #165

Maybe you should speak more precisely... TipTok Feb 2016 #166

Bullshit leftynyc Feb 2016 #167

No hypocrisy here... TipTok Feb 2016 #168

Just a vote of confidence for you lefty...I get this crap all the time from the sheep. nt clarice Feb 2016 #141

Appreciate it, Clarice leftynyc Feb 2016 #145

I swear... I have thought about it and thought about it....... clarice Feb 2016 #151

Yes, I do leftynyc Feb 2016 #156

You're probably right.nt clarice Feb 2016 #157

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #172

Who's your baby???.lol nt clarice Feb 2016 #174

I will not support ANY Bible based fundamentalism ErikJ Feb 2016 #33

Oh you'll see plenty leftynyc Feb 2016 #46

Thank you. 840high Feb 2016 #52

I am sick of that S%#@ too. Good on ya mate.nt clarice Feb 2016 #140

Tell me the last time a fundy Christian or Jew tried to kill their OWN CHILD in the smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #35

I agree. We need more Westerners to shame them for it ErikJ Feb 2016 #37

Ideology. There are forms of Islam that absolutely preach what you are describing. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #56

You're kidding, right? Tsiyu Feb 2016 #66

However, it is COMMON in Islam. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #81

Rare, like the ancient tradition of pederasty in the catholic church Fairgo Feb 2016 #92

Give me a break. There is no comparison against Islam smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #190

Tell that to the babies who died in the Irish laundries Tsiyu Feb 2016 #191

For one thing, I am a liberal. Secondly those are all one off cases smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #193

Routine abuse you say? Tsiyu Feb 2016 #192

It is a crime in this country and perpetrators will be jailed if caught. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #194

You live in a dream world Tsiyu Feb 2016 #195

Faten Habash was beaten to death by her father for marrying a non-Christian Recursion Feb 2016 #77

Piece of piss whatthehey Feb 2016 #103

Not nearly as much as muslims. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #142

And if you decide that instead of making a stupid declaration easily proven false whatthehey Feb 2016 #205

Yep. For all their repressive and awful beliefs and actions, hifiguy Feb 2016 #176

There is no reason to designate a religion in my opinion, fundies are a breed apart from their Rex Feb 2016 #40

Yes. Like those Christian Fundies who refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #59

Well you cannot talk about a culture where fathers murder their daughters, because of their egos. Rex Feb 2016 #63

Sorry, I'm unconvinced cali Feb 2016 #80

Why are you sorry, it doesn't matter to me if you believe it or not. Rex Feb 2016 #129

Me too.nt clarice Feb 2016 #143

OK, but how about the Palestinian Christian I mentioned above beating his daughter TO DEATH Recursion Feb 2016 #100

Or the deadly beatings in the name of Christian "discipline"..or the exorcism deaths..or whatthehey Feb 2016 #104

The problem is fundamentalism, those that don't want to deal with reality Rex Feb 2016 #130

just sent this to my two daughters SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #8

Wow!!!! well done. nt clarice Feb 2016 #147

I can't believe she leftynyc Feb 2016 #9

Bad people do bad things... good people do good things... TipTok Feb 2016 #11

Very true. And it makes already bad people do *even worse* things. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2016 #75

So if I see a Muslim how frightened do you think I should be? nt el_bryanto Feb 2016 #13

It depends on whether they are fundamentalists, and whether you are a woman. If the Squinch Feb 2016 #27

You do understand that this is a story about an actual person and that the film about her is Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #28

+1000 FLPanhandle Feb 2016 #29

If they are yelling "Allahu Akbar", Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #42

This is a stupid reply, and offensive to those who care about the millions of women Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #57

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #82

AWESOME post leftynyc Feb 2016 #94

I wish that everyone on DU would read the post to which I responded, and think about what it really Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #155

What has been apparent for some time leftynyc Feb 2016 #158

Yes, that is obvious. It gives one a very worried outlook. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #161

The battle will never end leftynyc Feb 2016 #163

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #188

BAM! scarletlib Feb 2016 #96

Yes, agreed. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2016 #101

You GO girl.nt clarice Feb 2016 #153

depends on your location snooper2 Feb 2016 #149

in many Muslim families the women and girls live in mortal fear geek tragedy Feb 2016 #201

But, I'm told on DU that this religion is just a lot of very sweet looking smiling children in white Squinch Feb 2016 #15

We also ARREST and TRY leftynyc Feb 2016 #18

There is a recent influx of people in a neighborhood where I work where the women all wear Squinch Feb 2016 #21

Agree leftynyc Feb 2016 #22

Well, head on up to the Bronx. Squinch Feb 2016 #26

The only judgement from me leftynyc Feb 2016 #45

Have to disagree on one point, just as a matter of accuracy. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #98

Yes, I see what you mean, but there are people in Indonesia who do nothing like this, and Squinch Feb 2016 #175

A perfect example of a cretin who feels completely and totally justified in his child rape... TipTok Feb 2016 #32

And he's going to rot in prison leftynyc Feb 2016 #48

The reason he is in jail is because of the secular criminal justice system.... TipTok Feb 2016 #50

And that has fuck all to do leftynyc Feb 2016 #87

Except that in our culture, the social/political/justice system doesn't allow it. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #58

That is despite religion... TipTok Feb 2016 #60

This is not about religion. It is about culture. n/t Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #61

Religion is the basis of most cultures... TipTok Feb 2016 #62

The culture existed before the religion. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #64

Muhammed married a 6-year old and had sex with her when she was 9. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #65

She was probably considerably older than that. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #67

OK, some say she was 9 year old when they married and 12 years old when they had sex. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #68

Ahh... the no true scotsman bit... TipTok Feb 2016 #69

I wouldn't say that at all. There are in fact several Islams, and one disputed one Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #72

Thank you for pointing out that important distinction. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #83

I'm sick and tired of this bullshit leftynyc Feb 2016 #88

K & R for exposure. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #19

It's completely beyond me how a father could do this to his daughter. drm604 Feb 2016 #20

Not in that community leftynyc Feb 2016 #23

I know. drm604 Feb 2016 #25

The COMMUNITY leftynyc Feb 2016 #43

.^that 840high Feb 2016 #53

I just cannot understand the mindset of this culture. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #84

The women are SHAMED into leftynyc Feb 2016 #89

It's a vile, degenerate culture there. Boys are raised to hate all women geek tragedy Feb 2016 #202

It would have been more honorable for the father to shoot himself in the head. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #30

A GREAT alternative. nt clarice Feb 2016 #154

But, that is ethnocentric! Quantess Feb 2016 #204

Most parents would die to save their own children, not this scum. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #36

On the one hand, religion is just ridiculous. Iggo Feb 2016 #47

There should be a law that you can strip titles like 'father' from people. Rex Feb 2016 #54

It's so incredibly sick. For the life of me, I can't understand it. Every male in my smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #55

+2 nomorenomore08 Feb 2016 #76

k&r Liberal_in_LA Feb 2016 #70

All horrible things done in the name of religion suck Tsiyu Feb 2016 #71

Religion of peace. romanic Feb 2016 #73

I think some cultures have a very different set of emotions Marrah_G Feb 2016 #78

I'm sorry. I just don't see how it's natural to murder your own child. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #85

No, I dont think natural is the word Marrah_G Feb 2016 #177

once you believe nonsense, you can be made to believe anything Skittles Feb 2016 #90

That is so tragic. nt raccoon Feb 2016 #91

The Muslim religion was at fault? I read she ran off with her boyfriend against her B Calm Feb 2016 #93

So, it's her fault? What in the heck is your point? TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #128

I never said it was her fault, but I don't see where in the article where it was the Muslim B Calm Feb 2016 #133

A society that tolerates the murder of women for religious reasons is at fault. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2016 #131

Was this incident about religious reasons? B Calm Feb 2016 #134

Yes. Did you read the full NY times article? n/t prayin4rain Feb 2016 #136

Yes I read the OP link. Copy and paste what you are referring to and I'll be happy to admit I B Calm Feb 2016 #138

If you're going to feign ignorance, there's really no point, is there? prayin4rain Feb 2016 #148

Is it the word honor killing? B Calm Feb 2016 #150

Fundamentalism is a mental disorder. People who are that far gone into religion... backscatter712 Feb 2016 #97

I agree. Super religious people are literally insane, in my opinion. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2016 #102

It is terrible. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #105

She killed them for religious reasons? And other families who believe as she prayin4rain Feb 2016 #109

I don't know why she did it. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #110

Nobody said all Muslims are bad. Religious beliefs that lead prayin4rain Feb 2016 #112

I did read the article. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #114

Hindu honour killing. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #115

From your article. .. prayin4rain Feb 2016 #116

What about a country that orchestrates or tries to orchestrate coups in Latin America? Bad Dog Feb 2016 #119

Again, again, again, the original post is not an attack on Muslims in general, nor prayin4rain Feb 2016 #125

Don't talk nonsense. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #179

Yes, I do have an understanding prayin4rain Feb 2016 #181

This is an article that allows you all to air your prejudices without doing anything about it. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #183

If you have a plan on how I can prayin4rain Feb 2016 #184

Let's turn that on its head. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #186

What? ? prayin4rain Feb 2016 #187

Trump's rhetoric definitely seems to have some reverberations on here. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #196

Yes, it is not just muslims, it is certain cultures Marrah_G Feb 2016 #178

A few? leftynyc Feb 2016 #117

I'm not trying to change the subject I'm pointing out what's going on. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #180

I can't understand it either awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #113

Sounds like someone needs "Honor Life Without Parole" NobodyHere Feb 2016 #152

Violence toward women and girls is far too common in this world LeftishBrit Feb 2016 #170

Liberals are making Baby Jesus Cry!!!!! Tsiyu Feb 2016 #182

+1 great post! B Calm Feb 2016 #185

Thanks B Calm Tsiyu Feb 2016 #189

There has been a flood of threads like this on DU mwrguy Feb 2016 #197

So what, you think it's all propaganda? Quantess Feb 2016 #198

Of course it's not only on DU mwrguy Feb 2016 #199

That sounds so very enlightening. Quantess Feb 2016 #200

Pakistan isn't an Arab country. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #203

i would consider it an "honor killing" to execute those men and their ilk (bad Democrat, I know). WinkyDink Feb 2016 #206