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32. None of us wants the far right to gain because the left 'caters to refugees' or to the poor or

Mon Feb 8, 2016, 02:27 PM

Feb 2016

to immigrants or to anyone else whom the far right does not like. OTOH, I don't want to fight the far right by adopting their policies in order to keep them out of power so they cannot implement their policies.

I do agree that if the far right does 'clean up' they will close the borders. They have been wanting to do that since long before the refugee crisis and now have the perfect justification. They will also not worry about a "comprehensive vetting process". It will be guilt by association and see you later. Law-and-order is something that the right is quite good at. People will feel safe. Police states are good at that.

The left must indeed come up with a vetting system that meets international law and respects the security and rights of everyone involved. Drawing a line between helping refugees and 'catering' to them is an important distinction. If the left abandons the refugees, the right will not lift a finger for them.

I trust the left in Europe to learn from their mistakes and solve problems than I trust the right to use fear and hatred to provide simplistic solutions to complicated problems.

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Refugees among gang caught on video dancing, singing in Arabic as they rape unconscious teen [View all] leftynyc Feb 2016 OP

I don't blame them either get the red out Feb 2016 #1

I don't blame either n/t zazen Feb 2016 #2

Where are they now ? bdwker Feb 2016 #31

That's awful. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2016 #3

What the fuck?! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #4

Actually, these stories leftynyc Feb 2016 #5

Wow. Just wow. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #6

BBC: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women gyroscope Feb 2016 #10

Ship 'em back to whatever shithole they came from. n/t tabasco Feb 2016 #7

If the Euro left doesn't respond to this shit hifiguy Feb 2016 #8

Many of the Euro left Ms. Yertle Feb 2016 #15

So you are saying they are refugees from war and death who are not sure if Belgium is safe relative Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #17

"She can't complain. Women must obey men," one reportedly told police. davidn3600 Feb 2016 #9

But all cultures are equal!!! hifiguy Feb 2016 #11

Oh my god!!! Arazi Feb 2016 #27

Nothing to see here. linuxman Feb 2016 #12

Greece can't close its borders to refugees since its islands are so close to Turkey. pampango Feb 2016 #13

Greece can't afford to leftynyc Feb 2016 #23

Indeed Greece cannot afford that which means they need massive help pampango Feb 2016 #24

If nothing is done to protect European citizens leftynyc Feb 2016 #25

None of us wants the far right to gain because the left 'caters to refugees' or to the poor or pampango Feb 2016 #32

The left can't NOT do something leftynyc Feb 2016 #37

IF the left ignores the problem, they will deserve to lose. I trust the left is not stupid and pampango Feb 2016 #48

But I also believe leftynyc Feb 2016 #60

Shengen agreement is almost certainly done for as is. /nt JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #99

Another policy that sounds good leftynyc Feb 2016 #102

If that happens, and it might, the right will have cause to thank the refugees after all. pampango Feb 2016 #137

Eh, The Europhiles destroyed their own project in that case, JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #140

The numbers are a problem. Germany alone had at over a million purporting to be Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #74

There needs to be an exit strategy. If there is no plan for expelling those who commit geek tragedy Feb 2016 #114

I agree. From what I read, they have an exit strategy, a plan to deport those convicted pampango Feb 2016 #123

To where do they deport them? They have rules about sending geek tragedy Feb 2016 #134

Agreed. They probably won't deport many people to Syria and Iraq. That would be a death sentence pampango Feb 2016 #136

On Friday, the government approved a plan to combat Islamic radicalism and the threat of extremist v saturnsring Feb 2016 #14

That'll show them we mean business Ex Lurker Feb 2016 #16

That is the kind of thing that liberal governments will have to do if they are to govern pampango Feb 2016 #22

"If...governments do not acknowledge their mistakes and correct them..." - jonno99 Feb 2016 #29

You think 250 police a year leftynyc Feb 2016 #64

Of course not. Do you think that is the only change in policing that Germany is undertaking? pampango Feb 2016 #66

Not only arresting them leftynyc Feb 2016 #68

Agreed. I don't know what German law says about jailing people who have been arrested pending pampango Feb 2016 #70

I bet the victim was a white girl romanic Feb 2016 #18

Race is irrelevant. The men were filmed Floridanow Feb 2016 #95

I soooo wish I was there when that was happening...meet my little friend. nt clarice Feb 2016 #19

Has NOW issued a statement yet? nt clarice Feb 2016 #20

6? more drunk refugees to deport back to dry countries. Sunlei Feb 2016 #21

Drunk you say? Drunk! I thought Islam forbid drinking liquor, never mind raping girls. nt Fla Dem Feb 2016 #86

"She can't complain. Women must obey men..." What's to discuss? They'll fit in nicely... jonno99 Feb 2016 #26

And a 10 year old Austrian boy was raped MrsMatt Feb 2016 #28

That is horrific. Aerows Feb 2016 #46

Trust get the red out Feb 2016 #53

I'm trying to wrap leftynyc Feb 2016 #63

Raised in a sexually repressive culture that teaches men all of their impulses are god-approved... arcane1 Feb 2016 #77

Castration candidate. JudyM Feb 2016 #100

My thoughts Carolina Feb 2016 #186

At least chemically, if not physically. It's the only way to discourage this, IMO. JudyM Feb 2016 #189

That POS should have his hifiguy Feb 2016 #80

And we'd justify that as a civic emergency. JudyM Feb 2016 #101

Rape is not sex. The asshole had a 'violence emergency' leftstreet Feb 2016 #85

horrific Liberal_in_LA Feb 2016 #96

WTH? 840high Feb 2016 #162

Where are those signs that say "Rufugees Welcome" ? bdwker Feb 2016 #30

Appalling. How about refusing entry to all single males between 10 and 40. That would help. Shrike47 Feb 2016 #33

No, becuase the prevailing "wisdom" is that the men should come over first, get a job, jonno99 Feb 2016 #34

That MAY have been the leftynyc Feb 2016 #35

We are in agreement...nt jonno99 Feb 2016 #39

I would be, too Aerows Feb 2016 #41

Thank you! get the red out Feb 2016 #57

I saw video of someone saying just that Ms. Yertle Feb 2016 #56

You cannot be serious right now. "Get a job"? Quantess Feb 2016 #128

That's what the Canadian government is doing. EllieBC Feb 2016 #36

The Canadian government Aerows Feb 2016 #43

Proximity and geography? EllieBC Feb 2016 #45

They were thinking lancer78 Feb 2016 #82

While their hearts may leftynyc Feb 2016 #90

I may have predicted Dorian Gray Feb 2016 #168

Exactly get the red out Feb 2016 #54

So young single males, the kind of people most attacked in a war, should all be refused? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #55

Men & boys are many times more dangerous than women and girls. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #116

Discrimination, when based on prejudice, is also a very bad thing muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #117

Boys grow up to be men, and will do what men do. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #118

Half the world were (or are) boys muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #119

I was raised by two feminist parents who abhor violence and discrimination. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #139

The US murder rate is way above the European one muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #141

Calm down. It's due to the fact that there are so many guns per capita in the US. Quantess Feb 2016 #142

Are Americans seeking asylum or committing significant geek tragedy Feb 2016 #143

You want to discriminate on the basis of the purpose of a visit too? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #156

international law does not require borders to be erased. geek tragedy Feb 2016 #169

Now you're talking about something completely different muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #170

I agree with shrike47 & aerows, and am not ashamed to say it. appal_jack Feb 2016 #146

As I said in#156, start a thread calling for Obama to advocate discrimination in law muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #158

I don't think international law allows limiting refugee status based on age/gender/marital status. pampango Feb 2016 #59

Then let the UN leftynyc Feb 2016 #61

The UN (UNHCR) has been running the refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey pampango Feb 2016 #65

I'm sure our PM is aware of international law. EllieBC Feb 2016 #89

International 'law' has the power and prestige of a moldy turnip. nt appal_jack Feb 2016 #148

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Orrex Feb 2016 #113

Gross, but most of us know how a thread will be shepherded closeupready Feb 2016 #144

They need to get control over this Aerows Feb 2016 #38

Agree leftynyc Feb 2016 #40

Yes - we are looking a a clash of civilizations. My hope is that this conflict will jonno99 Feb 2016 #42

We? ProfessorGAC Feb 2016 #52

In early December in Austria, wasn't it? The cops had kept it quiet - it was recently reported. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #71

It seems to me that this behavior is born out of a culture who blames the woman for her own rape. LiberalAndProud Feb 2016 #44

It's two fold Aerows Feb 2016 #47

Wait a second.... bdwker Feb 2016 #50

Are you aware that leftynyc Feb 2016 #120

Islam is a religion, and there are cultures within that religion, Quantess Feb 2016 #129

Here's another one Aerows Feb 2016 #49

Dont expect this to go away any time soon Separation Feb 2016 #51

Europe truly is dying mwrguy Feb 2016 #130

That's the problem Separation Feb 2016 #145

No, it isn't. Europe is also getting a huge influx of economic refugees and fakers Quantess Feb 2016 #149

One in the same Separation Feb 2016 #152

They will be the new Europeans mwrguy Feb 2016 #151

And you think the current Europeans are fascists? EllieBC Feb 2016 #155

No, not at all. Most of them are wonderful people. mwrguy Feb 2016 #166

Europeans should make that demand atreides1 Feb 2016 #58

Bush and those who supported his war in Iraq have opened the way for... SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #62

hatred of women did not start with the war Skittles Feb 2016 #92

I have no words robertgodardfromnj Feb 2016 #67

Not a single left-wing politician in Europe demanding women's rights be protected Dems to Win Feb 2016 #69

And right there, the European Left is exposed. romanic Feb 2016 #72

I'd guess that "kicking out every migrant" is easier said than done. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #122

Apparently they think it's more important hifiguy Feb 2016 #78

"Not a single left-wing politician"? Are you sure of that? pampango Feb 2016 #81

Huh? If you don't like my statement, Prove me wrong! Dems to Win Feb 2016 #83

Not sure this will change anything since, apparently, only the right stands up for women's rights. pampango Feb 2016 #88

See Post #74. They can't really deport them Dems to Win Feb 2016 #106

As you may (or may not) know Germany has recently negotiated return agreements with pampango Feb 2016 #124

The right could do many things, but their policies would unpalatable to many here. branford Feb 2016 #135

Its fairly true, the reaction on the Left to these waves of crime have been disconcerting, JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #97

Well-said. The truth will out. nt appal_jack Feb 2016 #150

The Toronto Sun is a conservative tabliod rag. You sure like to post stories like this. U4ikLefty Feb 2016 #73

Yawn leftynyc Feb 2016 #75

Part of the problem is that more liberal outlet often refuse to report branford Feb 2016 #79

For some odd reason the right wing press is particularly adept at finding crimes committed by pampango Feb 2016 #84

Problem is, liberal sources won't report on these stories at all davidn3600 Feb 2016 #87

please do tell us what the "liberal sources" are Skittles Feb 2016 #91

Give me a break davidn3600 Feb 2016 #93

you mentioned LIBERAL SOURCES three times Skittles Feb 2016 #94

I'm sure it wont surprise you leftynyc Feb 2016 #103

I know how to Google Skittles Feb 2016 #107

Not sure if it is exactly the same in Germany, but, Quantess Feb 2016 #111

Then you could find the answers yourself leftynyc Feb 2016 #112

I want to hear it from davidn3600 Skittles Feb 2016 #172

Then you aren't looking leftynyc Feb 2016 #173

THIS HAS GONE COMPLETELY OVER YOUR HEAD Skittles Feb 2016 #174

NO IT HAS NOT leftynyc Feb 2016 #176

Some more forced to apologize leftynyc Feb 2016 #115

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt leftynyc Feb 2016 #138

Its hard to convince people that some of us are misjudging the situations... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #98

These criminals are really confirming all the fears and prejudices that Europeans have of young thereismore Feb 2016 #76

I'm going to make a preemptive strike on the first idiot that compares this to Jewish Bonobo Feb 2016 #104

I don't blame you leftynyc Feb 2016 #105

A lot of the jews in europe are also facing increased harrassment from muslims. Quantess Feb 2016 #108

And thats why French jews are bolting France. bdwker Feb 2016 #110

It's even worse than you think leftynyc Feb 2016 #121

My dad said this weekend that he expects to see another genocide in Europe Lee-Lee Feb 2016 #109

I think trying to make a diverse bunch of ethnic nation states into ... JPnoodleman Feb 2016 #127

Ship the single men or those without children back to whatever DMZ they flushed themselves away from GOLGO 13 Feb 2016 #125

The US did nothing of the sort leftynyc Feb 2016 #132

"and said any refugee found guilty will be deported." - I have a way, way better idea. DetlefK Feb 2016 #126

Here's a simple vetting process... Lancero Feb 2016 #131

And I'd screen the women leftynyc Feb 2016 #133

A single case is no grounds to do more than punish the culprits. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2016 #147

What a surprise. Another Islamophobic hate post. Who could have imagined? guillaumeb Feb 2016 #153

Which "race" would that be? Quantess Feb 2016 #154

The racism referred to involves skin color. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #157

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #159

I am truly impressed, but perhaps impressed is not the exact word. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #163

Results of hidden post LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #164

I agree with juror number 6. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #190

Yawn leftynyc Feb 2016 #161

Perhaps you should do some research about rape. What I have read suggests that rape guillaumeb Feb 2016 #165

I don't have to do research leftynyc Feb 2016 #167

I don't blame them. 840high Feb 2016 #160

This post doesn't make sense Jim Beard Feb 2016 #171

That's because leftynyc Feb 2016 #175

Sounds like a bunch of frat guys BainsBane Feb 2016 #177

Let me ask you something leftynyc Feb 2016 #178

No BainsBane Feb 2016 #179

It hasn't been "cast" as anything leftynyc Feb 2016 #180

Your OP: "Europeans are going to DEMAND their governments close their borders...I don't blame them" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #181

I meant in the US leftynyc Feb 2016 #182

You didn't mean in the US; you claimed BainsBane brought up the subject muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #183

Ask the Obama administration leftynyc Feb 2016 #184

It's you trying to change the subject; you're the first to talk about migration to the US muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #185

Bullshit leftynyc Feb 2016 #187

How would your vetting process for 13 year olds or younger keep out rapists? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #188

Kicked for exposure. redgreenandblue Jan 2017 #191

Except you're comparing apples and oranges leftynyc Jan 2017 #192