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47. Yeah, if his parents had gotten a US passport for him at birth,

Tue Feb 9, 2016, 08:18 PM

Feb 2016

there would be no question. If he produced his FS-240, there would be no question. But his only paper proof of citizenship is a US passport issued when he was 14. Now, I don't think the US State Dept would give some 14-yr-old a passport with no paperwork proving the 14-yr-old was a citizen, but what do I know. Maybe his parents only used his mother's BC and Ted's Canadian BC (to prove who his parents were), but they also would have had to prove that mom had fulfilled required residency laws in the US -- 10 yrs in total, 5 of which had to be after the age of 15 (IIRC). We have no idea how his passport was acquired.

I know, I wish we could get rid of this dangerous bible thumper this way, but no dice.

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Cruz may not be legally a Senator, much less a Pres. candidate. [View all] dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 OP

He may not be a natural born citizen under the US Constitution. I agree with Lawrence Tribe: "murky" merrily Feb 2016 #1

Uless, of course, Mrs Cruz gave up her US citizenship for a Canadian citizenship. seaotter Feb 2016 #6

Funny thing about that.... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #54

So she was a Canadian citizen four years after his birth SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #57

So what is this puzzle: dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #83

Your premise that dual citizenship was prohibited prior to 1977 is flawed SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #105

Doesn't matter what Canada did or didn't do, what matters is US law. MH1 Feb 2016 #156

Sure. I am not familiar with renouncing (yet--kidding), so I don't know if there would be a paper merrily Feb 2016 #58

And she was listed on the Canadian voter rolls....so......!!!! nt MADem Feb 2016 #85

This seems to be the key question. Volaris Feb 2016 #103

All mute unless his parents filed the Consular Report FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #13

moot. nt. Thor_MN Feb 2016 #39

I wish any problem could be sorted out soon, but the SCOTUS does not give merrily Feb 2016 #62

Missing the point. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #81

My daughter has this form lapislzi Feb 2016 #159

I agree, whatever he or his parents may have done, elleng Feb 2016 #55

THIS is something DUers should put some energy into. seaotter Feb 2016 #2

Only if you think... gcomeau Feb 2016 #33

Do you really think it is wise to wish someone like Cruz A Simple Game Feb 2016 #66

That question contains the implicit assumption... gcomeau Feb 2016 #80

Cruz was elected Senator in 2012. Senators have to be American citizens. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #94

You're being intentionally obtuse here metalbot Feb 2016 #147

The question seems to be...... is Cruz a "natural born" citizen.... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #150

That's a slightly different question metalbot Feb 2016 #158

"Canadian law only allowed ONE citizenship" FBaggins Feb 2016 #153

Forward to TRUMP. Downwinder Feb 2016 #3

More of this birther-type nonsense? FBaggins Feb 2016 #4

IKR? etherealtruth Feb 2016 #8

Why not? -none Feb 2016 #11

It has been settled that he is an American citizen SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #14

Please cite the court docs that expressly state that Ted Cruz is a citizen. seaotter Feb 2016 #17

He was born to an American citizen abroad SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #20

In order for a person born abroad to a US Citizen or Citizens to become a US citizen, Stonepounder Feb 2016 #79

Exactly. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #84

That is simply not true SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #109

Thanks for your research! Jim Lane Feb 2016 #140

I am confused about taht, can you help me understand it? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #145

That's almost certainly right but the exact dates haven't been published AFAIK Jim Lane Feb 2016 #149

That's correct. lapislzi Feb 2016 #164

What is the proof he is an United States citizen? -none Feb 2016 #26

Well, she couldn't have been a Canadian citizen SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #30

"couldn't have been" Canadian? truebluegreen Feb 2016 #40

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #46

Or not: truebluegreen Feb 2016 #59

Dad couldn't have become a citizen by 1970 SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #64

Rafael Cruz became a Canadian citizen in 1973 dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #90

Three years after Ted Cruz's birth SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #108

Cite this. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #31

Birth to an American citizen abroad n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #32

Your not citing anything. Your expressing an opinion. Nothing more. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #76

Here's one FBaggins Feb 2016 #115

A state board? Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #119

Yes. That's who decides who is eligible to be on the ballot FBaggins Feb 2016 #120

Interesting, you are going all out to defend something like Cruz Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #139

Can Americans vote in Canadian elections? SoCalDem Feb 2016 #88

It hasn't, actually. A number of constitutional scholars dispute it. pnwmom Feb 2016 #71

I've heard no one dispute his American citizenship SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #73

You're right -- I meant his natural born status. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #74

I think it's insulting to use "birthism" on DUers. dmr Feb 2016 #99

Even more ironically, his Dad was an anti-Obama birther. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #102

Because Canada has no say in US citizenship? FBaggins Feb 2016 #60

Obama has nothing to do with this, except deflection by those on the Right. -none Feb 2016 #112

Nobody said that Obama had anything to do with it FBaggins Feb 2016 #116

Because Canada has no say in US citizenship. Mariana Feb 2016 #137

Thank you. Besides the fact that Cruz is EXACTLY who we want to run against in November Bucky Feb 2016 #21

If the people vote for Cruz, they should get Cruz. plus5mace Feb 2016 #36

Absolutely. eggplant Feb 2016 #65

Well in that case all you Canadians can come down here and jwirr Feb 2016 #77

Neither type of birther has trouble with "established laws of eligibility"... FBaggins Feb 2016 #87

And is that what the law states? jwirr Feb 2016 #89

Yes FBaggins Feb 2016 #92

AFAIK the law is completely silent on the question of burden of proof Jim Lane Feb 2016 #141

There is a difference between falsely claiming Obama was born in Kenya and truthfully merrily Feb 2016 #128

Nope FBaggins Feb 2016 #129

Then, your ability to make distinctions needs work, as does your knowledge of merrily Feb 2016 #130

Read Tribe's article? FBaggins Feb 2016 #131

An originalist interpretation is impossible with this Court? Um, O.K. merrily Feb 2016 #132

You obviously didn't read the OP. FBaggins Feb 2016 #133

Please, please, PRETTY PLEASE MagickMuffin Feb 2016 #5

We need to ask the expert, Orly Taitz. Gregorian Feb 2016 #7

Aside from the fact that it doesn't matter what Canada does or doesn't recognize SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #9

but she is on the voting rolls in 1974 4 years after ted's birth roguevalley Feb 2016 #16

LOL true n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #18

But I won't Cruz to win the Republican nomination CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #10

Any chance his illegal immigration status was forgiven? nt IdaBriggs Feb 2016 #12

But I won't Cruz to win the Republican nomination CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #15

He may be disqualified because I'm not sure he is actually a homo sapiens sapiens. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #19

Ok..I grant that with no problem. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #61

About McCain Jim Lane Feb 2016 #142

Actually, the Senate passed that resolution in 2008. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #144

Was a Consular Report of Birth Abroad needed in 1970 if his parents filed for a US passport for him? herding cats Feb 2016 #22

Was a Consular Report of Birth Abroad needed in 1970? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #25

Was it required if the parents did not apply for a passport for him was my question. herding cats Feb 2016 #34

Where are you getting that Canada didn't recognize dual citizenship until 1977? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #67

from Wilipedia's history of Canadian citizenship dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #70

Yes, someone born in Canada would be Canadian SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #72

"Cruz's mother was a Canadian citizen when he was born." dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #146

You never said that? FBaggins Feb 2016 #151

ooops....I DID include that in the OP......my bad.. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #154

Really? Then what did this mean? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #161

"children born in Canada to non-Canadian parents were not under any obligation to renounce a foreign muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #75

Cruz's passport was issued when he was 14, and no one has Nay Feb 2016 #28

I wonder what documents were required then to obtain his US passport? herding cats Feb 2016 #38

Yeah, if his parents had gotten a US passport for him at birth, Nay Feb 2016 #47

Thank you...clearly stated. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #104

Nope. Nay Feb 2016 #23

Canada's dual citizenship policies have nothing to do with America's. rocktivity Feb 2016 #24

IF............n/t dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #27

Box it up and send it to the birthers. Iggo Feb 2016 #29

A ''Consular Report of Birth Abroad'' long form, please. Octafish Feb 2016 #35

Is it possible to be a natural born citizen of two countries? VMA131Marine Feb 2016 #37

No. Physically nor Constitutionally. It's pretty obvious the FF meant "born HERE." NOT a tortuous WinkyDink Feb 2016 #43

Absolutely untrue SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #49

There goes John McCains's claim to citizenship then. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #63

I'm not responsible for explaining this law. WinkyDink Feb 2016 #166

Why did you start this thread, then? WinkyDink Feb 2016 #170

Sorry... that bears no relationship to the truth at all FBaggins Feb 2016 #125

Interesting, that Naturalization Act. To wit: WinkyDink Feb 2016 #169

And he wasn't "naturalized". He was a citizen at birth. FBaggins Feb 2016 #173

If that's what they meant they could have said so. Jim Lane Feb 2016 #143

How does "born abroad" mean "natural born citizen"? Didn't they know how to say "born abroad"? WinkyDink Feb 2016 #167

My point is that they were leaving that option open Jim Lane Feb 2016 #172

Yes SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #44

Yes (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #53

I'm going to add that I think there is evidence that VMA131Marine Feb 2016 #91

Yes. nt Nay Feb 2016 #106

My daughter was born a citizen of two countries. Mariana Feb 2016 #138

There's been a lot of law-contortion goin' on. CRUZ IS CANADIAN, and the Constitution means NOTHING. WinkyDink Feb 2016 #41

A man with no nation. PWPippin Feb 2016 #42

As far as I am concerned, Cruz is a US citizen and can run president Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #45

I am concerned because I think Cruz is an alien from planet crazy mdbl Feb 2016 #48

Well, on that I agree at least in the proverbial sense Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #52

Agreed, as far as I'm concerned he is a US citizen. He's a creepy-as-hell US citizen. n/t Turn CO Blue Feb 2016 #95

On that I agree absolutely Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #96

DepoRt him to the Yukon! world wide wally Feb 2016 #50

The problem is that he's given up his Canadian citizenship in order to pretend he's American Blueguyinthesky Feb 2016 #117

Sounds like ISIS material world wide wally Feb 2016 #121

Cruz is the product of elmac Feb 2016 #51

So if he didn't specifically obtain US citizenship, he's an illegal. And since he renounced his silvershadow Feb 2016 #56

Now THERE's a happy thought. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #68

he would have a have a hard time proving he is human olddots Feb 2016 #69

Do you think evangelicals believe in karma? Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #78

THis NEEDS wings!!! Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #82

Fuck this birther shit. n/t X_Digger Feb 2016 #86

This is NOT bitherism. It has genuine legal foundation and does indeed impact Cruz being POTUS. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #93

I was living in Cal. when Ahnold bragged he could be Pres. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #107

Birther.Shit. Leave this stupidity to Orly Taitz. n/t X_Digger Feb 2016 #110

Natural born citizen of Cuba blue_moo Feb 2016 #97

His father became Canadian in 1973, and US citizen in 2005. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #98

No, a CRBA is not required to attain citizenship SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #111

You've got some facts wrong. First, she wasn't a citizen at his birth. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #100

Well said SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #113

To paraphrase an old adage........There are none so deaf as those who will not hear. WillowTree Feb 2016 #157

Here are some sources ............. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #122

That's just nutty FBaggins Feb 2016 #124

No, no. The phrase "natural born subject" is of long etiology in British law. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #134

What a marvelous, reasoned, well thought out explanation. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #135

If he wins the Supreme Court will probably just let him stay. bravenak Feb 2016 #101

Please just stop with this nonsense. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #114

It's annoying when people abandon reason for partisanship. Bonx Feb 2016 #148

"Canada did not recognize dual citizenship in 1970 when Cruz was born in Alberta." KamaAina Feb 2016 #118

BS. He is an American by birth. Birthers left or right are wrong about this. Sam_Fields Feb 2016 #123

He is a Citizen but not the kind described in the Constitution as POTUS Eligible. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #127

I think you're confusing SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #162

It helps if you read the fine print...and occasionally the Post. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #163

Perhaps you should follow your own advice SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #165

The topic is not whether or not Cruz is an American citizen. Sorry to be nuancel (tm A. Haig). WinkyDink Feb 2016 #171

It should first be determined whether saltpoint Feb 2016 #126

I don't know all the legalities of citizenship at birth. Snobblevitch Feb 2016 #136

This is a funny thread. Rex Feb 2016 #152

Yes I'm a secret Cruz supporter, hoping he becomes our next president, Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #155

Heck, I'm not even sure he's of this planet? sellitman Feb 2016 #160

Time to let Mr WooHoo loose libodem Feb 2016 #168