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76. Your not citing anything. Your expressing an opinion. Nothing more.

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Cruz may not be legally a Senator, much less a Pres. candidate. [View all] dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 OP

He may not be a natural born citizen under the US Constitution. I agree with Lawrence Tribe: "murky" merrily Feb 2016 #1

Uless, of course, Mrs Cruz gave up her US citizenship for a Canadian citizenship. seaotter Feb 2016 #6

Funny thing about that.... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #54

So she was a Canadian citizen four years after his birth SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #57

So what is this puzzle: dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #83

Your premise that dual citizenship was prohibited prior to 1977 is flawed SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #105

Doesn't matter what Canada did or didn't do, what matters is US law. MH1 Feb 2016 #156

Sure. I am not familiar with renouncing (yet--kidding), so I don't know if there would be a paper merrily Feb 2016 #58

And she was listed on the Canadian voter rolls....so......!!!! nt MADem Feb 2016 #85

This seems to be the key question. Volaris Feb 2016 #103

All mute unless his parents filed the Consular Report FreakinDJ Feb 2016 #13

moot. nt. Thor_MN Feb 2016 #39

I wish any problem could be sorted out soon, but the SCOTUS does not give merrily Feb 2016 #62

Missing the point. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #81

My daughter has this form lapislzi Feb 2016 #159

I agree, whatever he or his parents may have done, elleng Feb 2016 #55

THIS is something DUers should put some energy into. seaotter Feb 2016 #2

Only if you think... gcomeau Feb 2016 #33

Do you really think it is wise to wish someone like Cruz A Simple Game Feb 2016 #66

That question contains the implicit assumption... gcomeau Feb 2016 #80

Cruz was elected Senator in 2012. Senators have to be American citizens. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #94

You're being intentionally obtuse here metalbot Feb 2016 #147

The question seems to be...... is Cruz a "natural born" citizen.... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #150

That's a slightly different question metalbot Feb 2016 #158

"Canadian law only allowed ONE citizenship" FBaggins Feb 2016 #153

Forward to TRUMP. Downwinder Feb 2016 #3

More of this birther-type nonsense? FBaggins Feb 2016 #4

IKR? etherealtruth Feb 2016 #8

Why not? -none Feb 2016 #11

It has been settled that he is an American citizen SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #14

Please cite the court docs that expressly state that Ted Cruz is a citizen. seaotter Feb 2016 #17

He was born to an American citizen abroad SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #20

In order for a person born abroad to a US Citizen or Citizens to become a US citizen, Stonepounder Feb 2016 #79

Exactly. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #84

That is simply not true SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #109

Thanks for your research! Jim Lane Feb 2016 #140

I am confused about taht, can you help me understand it? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #145

That's almost certainly right but the exact dates haven't been published AFAIK Jim Lane Feb 2016 #149

That's correct. lapislzi Feb 2016 #164

What is the proof he is an United States citizen? -none Feb 2016 #26

Well, she couldn't have been a Canadian citizen SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #30

"couldn't have been" Canadian? truebluegreen Feb 2016 #40

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #46

Or not: truebluegreen Feb 2016 #59

Dad couldn't have become a citizen by 1970 SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #64

Rafael Cruz became a Canadian citizen in 1973 dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #90

Three years after Ted Cruz's birth SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #108

Cite this. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #31

Birth to an American citizen abroad n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #32

Your not citing anything. Your expressing an opinion. Nothing more. Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #76

Here's one FBaggins Feb 2016 #115

A state board? Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #119

Yes. That's who decides who is eligible to be on the ballot FBaggins Feb 2016 #120

Interesting, you are going all out to defend something like Cruz Katashi_itto Feb 2016 #139

Can Americans vote in Canadian elections? SoCalDem Feb 2016 #88

It hasn't, actually. A number of constitutional scholars dispute it. pnwmom Feb 2016 #71

I've heard no one dispute his American citizenship SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #73

You're right -- I meant his natural born status. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #74

I think it's insulting to use "birthism" on DUers. dmr Feb 2016 #99

Even more ironically, his Dad was an anti-Obama birther. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #102

Because Canada has no say in US citizenship? FBaggins Feb 2016 #60

Obama has nothing to do with this, except deflection by those on the Right. -none Feb 2016 #112

Nobody said that Obama had anything to do with it FBaggins Feb 2016 #116

Because Canada has no say in US citizenship. Mariana Feb 2016 #137

Thank you. Besides the fact that Cruz is EXACTLY who we want to run against in November Bucky Feb 2016 #21

If the people vote for Cruz, they should get Cruz. plus5mace Feb 2016 #36

Absolutely. eggplant Feb 2016 #65

Well in that case all you Canadians can come down here and jwirr Feb 2016 #77

Neither type of birther has trouble with "established laws of eligibility"... FBaggins Feb 2016 #87

And is that what the law states? jwirr Feb 2016 #89

Yes FBaggins Feb 2016 #92

AFAIK the law is completely silent on the question of burden of proof Jim Lane Feb 2016 #141

There is a difference between falsely claiming Obama was born in Kenya and truthfully merrily Feb 2016 #128

Nope FBaggins Feb 2016 #129

Then, your ability to make distinctions needs work, as does your knowledge of merrily Feb 2016 #130

Read Tribe's article? FBaggins Feb 2016 #131

An originalist interpretation is impossible with this Court? Um, O.K. merrily Feb 2016 #132

You obviously didn't read the OP. FBaggins Feb 2016 #133

Please, please, PRETTY PLEASE MagickMuffin Feb 2016 #5

We need to ask the expert, Orly Taitz. Gregorian Feb 2016 #7

Aside from the fact that it doesn't matter what Canada does or doesn't recognize SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #9

but she is on the voting rolls in 1974 4 years after ted's birth roguevalley Feb 2016 #16

LOL true n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #18

But I won't Cruz to win the Republican nomination CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #10

Any chance his illegal immigration status was forgiven? nt IdaBriggs Feb 2016 #12

But I won't Cruz to win the Republican nomination CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #15

He may be disqualified because I'm not sure he is actually a homo sapiens sapiens. hobbit709 Feb 2016 #19

Ok..I grant that with no problem. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #61

About McCain Jim Lane Feb 2016 #142

Actually, the Senate passed that resolution in 2008. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #144

Was a Consular Report of Birth Abroad needed in 1970 if his parents filed for a US passport for him? herding cats Feb 2016 #22

Was a Consular Report of Birth Abroad needed in 1970? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #25

Was it required if the parents did not apply for a passport for him was my question. herding cats Feb 2016 #34

Where are you getting that Canada didn't recognize dual citizenship until 1977? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #67

from Wilipedia's history of Canadian citizenship dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #70

Yes, someone born in Canada would be Canadian SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #72

"Cruz's mother was a Canadian citizen when he was born." dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #146

You never said that? FBaggins Feb 2016 #151

ooops....I DID include that in the OP......my bad.. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #154

Really? Then what did this mean? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #161

"children born in Canada to non-Canadian parents were not under any obligation to renounce a foreign muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #75

Cruz's passport was issued when he was 14, and no one has Nay Feb 2016 #28

I wonder what documents were required then to obtain his US passport? herding cats Feb 2016 #38

Yeah, if his parents had gotten a US passport for him at birth, Nay Feb 2016 #47

Thank you...clearly stated. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #104

Nope. Nay Feb 2016 #23

Canada's dual citizenship policies have nothing to do with America's. rocktivity Feb 2016 #24

IF............n/t dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #27

Box it up and send it to the birthers. Iggo Feb 2016 #29

A ''Consular Report of Birth Abroad'' long form, please. Octafish Feb 2016 #35

Is it possible to be a natural born citizen of two countries? VMA131Marine Feb 2016 #37

No. Physically nor Constitutionally. It's pretty obvious the FF meant "born HERE." NOT a tortuous WinkyDink Feb 2016 #43

Absolutely untrue SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #49

There goes John McCains's claim to citizenship then. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #63

I'm not responsible for explaining this law. WinkyDink Feb 2016 #166

Why did you start this thread, then? WinkyDink Feb 2016 #170

Sorry... that bears no relationship to the truth at all FBaggins Feb 2016 #125

Interesting, that Naturalization Act. To wit: WinkyDink Feb 2016 #169

And he wasn't "naturalized". He was a citizen at birth. FBaggins Feb 2016 #173

If that's what they meant they could have said so. Jim Lane Feb 2016 #143

How does "born abroad" mean "natural born citizen"? Didn't they know how to say "born abroad"? WinkyDink Feb 2016 #167

My point is that they were leaving that option open Jim Lane Feb 2016 #172

Yes SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #44

Yes (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #53

I'm going to add that I think there is evidence that VMA131Marine Feb 2016 #91

Yes. nt Nay Feb 2016 #106

My daughter was born a citizen of two countries. Mariana Feb 2016 #138

There's been a lot of law-contortion goin' on. CRUZ IS CANADIAN, and the Constitution means NOTHING. WinkyDink Feb 2016 #41

A man with no nation. PWPippin Feb 2016 #42

As far as I am concerned, Cruz is a US citizen and can run president Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #45

I am concerned because I think Cruz is an alien from planet crazy mdbl Feb 2016 #48

Well, on that I agree at least in the proverbial sense Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #52

Agreed, as far as I'm concerned he is a US citizen. He's a creepy-as-hell US citizen. n/t Turn CO Blue Feb 2016 #95

On that I agree absolutely Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #96

DepoRt him to the Yukon! world wide wally Feb 2016 #50

The problem is that he's given up his Canadian citizenship in order to pretend he's American Blueguyinthesky Feb 2016 #117

Sounds like ISIS material world wide wally Feb 2016 #121

Cruz is the product of elmac Feb 2016 #51

So if he didn't specifically obtain US citizenship, he's an illegal. And since he renounced his silvershadow Feb 2016 #56

Now THERE's a happy thought. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #68

he would have a have a hard time proving he is human olddots Feb 2016 #69

Do you think evangelicals believe in karma? Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #78

THis NEEDS wings!!! Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #82

Fuck this birther shit. n/t X_Digger Feb 2016 #86

This is NOT bitherism. It has genuine legal foundation and does indeed impact Cruz being POTUS. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #93

I was living in Cal. when Ahnold bragged he could be Pres. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #107

Birther.Shit. Leave this stupidity to Orly Taitz. n/t X_Digger Feb 2016 #110

Natural born citizen of Cuba blue_moo Feb 2016 #97

His father became Canadian in 1973, and US citizen in 2005. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #98

No, a CRBA is not required to attain citizenship SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #111

You've got some facts wrong. First, she wasn't a citizen at his birth. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #100

Well said SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #113

To paraphrase an old adage........There are none so deaf as those who will not hear. WillowTree Feb 2016 #157

Here are some sources ............. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #122

That's just nutty FBaggins Feb 2016 #124

No, no. The phrase "natural born subject" is of long etiology in British law. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #134

What a marvelous, reasoned, well thought out explanation. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #135

If he wins the Supreme Court will probably just let him stay. bravenak Feb 2016 #101

Please just stop with this nonsense. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #114

It's annoying when people abandon reason for partisanship. Bonx Feb 2016 #148

"Canada did not recognize dual citizenship in 1970 when Cruz was born in Alberta." KamaAina Feb 2016 #118

BS. He is an American by birth. Birthers left or right are wrong about this. Sam_Fields Feb 2016 #123

He is a Citizen but not the kind described in the Constitution as POTUS Eligible. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #127

I think you're confusing SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #162

It helps if you read the fine print...and occasionally the Post. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #163

Perhaps you should follow your own advice SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #165

The topic is not whether or not Cruz is an American citizen. Sorry to be nuancel (tm A. Haig). WinkyDink Feb 2016 #171

It should first be determined whether saltpoint Feb 2016 #126

I don't know all the legalities of citizenship at birth. Snobblevitch Feb 2016 #136

This is a funny thread. Rex Feb 2016 #152

Yes I'm a secret Cruz supporter, hoping he becomes our next president, Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #155

Heck, I'm not even sure he's of this planet? sellitman Feb 2016 #160

Time to let Mr WooHoo loose libodem Feb 2016 #168