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In reply to the discussion: DU Poll on World Population [View all]The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)72. Everyone comes from their own place
You seem to hate human civilization and believe humans are evil and greedy by nature.
I don't think I used the word evil. Greedy, yes, but I'm not sure greed is necessarily evil. Plus morality exists nowhere but in the human imagination as far as we know. Which goes to...
"Human nature" arguments have always been the narrative of the ruling class and the gatekeepers of the status quo.
This is why I wouldn't use the word evil. Or even good. Questions of morality are certainly for the gatekeepers of the status quo.
Capitalism and privatization are not the preordained natural order of civilization or the "end of history", nor are they the by-product of humans in their natural state. In reality, it is the exact opposite. Communal relations were the principles of primitive human societies and tribes before recorded history and since the beginning of human existence.
Existence has a mix of everything, which is why anyone can see whatever they want to see, all depending on their particular point of view. That's also why on a finite planet, everything comes at a cost. Everything has a downside, in addition to the upside. We keep trying to find a way around that downside, and we keep not being able to. That would be the reason that capitalism being all that's wrong is tough for me to buy into. I'm not sure there's even a solution to the problem. I don't know if there's even a "problem" exactly, up to an including civilization as an entity, because words and their definitions are created by human beings, and we're not objective.
The question then is, what is the problem that capitalism, or socialism, or civilization, or whatever, is trying to solve? And is that problem, objectively speaking, an actual problem? Or do human beings, with our abstract imaginations, only think it's a problem?
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Obviously the planet is a single entity. But population growth doesn't behave like one.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#34
Again, a waste of fucking time. "The world is so a single unit!" Derp
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#43
That question can't be answered until the ownership and distribution of resources is addressed.
rug
Feb 2016
#9
And not for human beings. They are run for private profit. (No, profit is not "people".)
rug
Feb 2016
#53
Oh, bullshit. The capitalists want as many destitute people as possible as fodder for their
MH1
Feb 2016
#48
7.5 billion people can live on this earth sustainably, happily and comfortably. We simply need to
Dont call me Shirley
Feb 2016
#54
We can slo minimize our dependence on wood using hemp, bamboo and probably many other
Dont call me Shirley
Feb 2016
#65
There is an easy and quite simple solution that can be implemented to address this issue.
Glassunion
Feb 2016
#73