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malthaussen

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25. In Guy Sajer's book, The Forgotten Soldier, is an unforgettable vignette:
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

Sajer was a soldier in the German Grossdeutschland division for most of the 2nd world war (we'll leave aside the disputes raised about his authority as irrelevant to the tale at hand). Towards the end, the division had substantial logistical problems, and was completely disorganized, broken up, and in chaos. Sajer and his mates, having not eaten for several days, came upon a broken-down supply truck (from their own division, by coincidence), and helped themselves. But as they were supplying themselves, the German equivalent of the M.P.s came along, and Sajer and the boys ran into the woods, except for one unlucky comrade who was collared by the coppers. Who immediately hanged him for looting, while the rest of the squad watched from the woods.

Picture it. You're a group of heavily-armed soldiers in the final stages of a military collapse, starving and scared and wounded, and one of your friends is executed by a couple of rear-echelon jokers whose only concern is to enforce the strict laws against looting -- and you and your comrades do nothing to stop it. Can it be imagined, if that had been a U.S. unit, if there would have been any other result than a couple of dead M.P.s? But Sajer and his friends did nothing, because ordnung ist alles.

That is either more admirable than I am capable of conceiving, or very, very cowardly and dumb.

-- Mal

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Oh come off of it. He took Ruth Ginsberg to the opera jberryhill Feb 2016 #1
And what does it say about Ruthie... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #15
It says she likes a good opera jberryhill Feb 2016 #16
It says she liked him for his good facets. Hortensis Feb 2016 #22
Correct, as I said, it's not as if these decisions affected them jberryhill Feb 2016 #26
And it has never appeared to me... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #28
Couldn't Agree More RobinA Feb 2016 #31
That is NOT what I meant. Notorious RBG is a Hortensis Feb 2016 #29
Who said she's not a fine woman jberryhill Feb 2016 #30
Overlooking foibles and peccadilloes... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #33
I agree with everything you have written in this thread. nt laundry_queen Feb 2016 #40
Justices attempt to influence outcomes Hortensis Feb 2016 #42
He had a very strange concept of justice. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #2
"Mere" Iggo Feb 2016 #3
That is the part that got to me too Sanity Claws Feb 2016 #6
It is, if you're an authoritarian. malthaussen Feb 2016 #11
THIS! Authoritarians feel that maintaining a strong Hortensis Feb 2016 #23
In Guy Sajer's book, The Forgotten Soldier, is an unforgettable vignette: malthaussen Feb 2016 #25
Authoritarianism relies on blind adherence to the status quo Major Nikon Feb 2016 #44
The title of the OP is apparently not an actual quote, though widely reported as such. nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2016 #18
but, but, his family and RBG loved him so... mountain grammy Feb 2016 #4
Can we dance now without all the sad people telling us that we are SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #5
Most of those are right wing types anyway SwankyXomb Feb 2016 #17
you noticed that too. KG Feb 2016 #21
I noticed it too laundry_queen Feb 2016 #41
But he was a jenus! Brilliant mind, just look at his solid logic for sending an innocent person Rex Feb 2016 #7
That's been on my mind the last few days. The fact that ANYONE would reduce innocence.... Liberal Veteran Feb 2016 #8
Hence lastone Feb 2016 #9
My two cents FiveGoodMen Feb 2016 #10
well said kpete Feb 2016 #19
and mere factual death is no reason to confer respect on a piece of shit. Solly Mack Feb 2016 #12
Everything you need to know about this person is in that one sentence Scalded Nun Feb 2016 #13
I can't understanding how some of the pundits following his death are avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #14
Fat Tony was brilliant ... GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #20
Brilliance is no guarantee of decency. white_wolf Feb 2016 #24
And for me, that is the key. Ilsa Feb 2016 #36
A philosophical question: malthaussen Feb 2016 #47
"I didn't agree with his OUTcomes. But he had intelligent reasoning behind them all." HughBeaumont Feb 2016 #27
Oh, but don't gravedance. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #32
Reminds of the parental philosophy Karma13612 Feb 2016 #34
Um, wouldn't factual innocence imply that the death sentence had not been properly reached? KamaAina Feb 2016 #35
No. Why would it? (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #38
Legally, not at all. malthaussen Feb 2016 #45
This is the kind of amoral legalistic nitpicking that makes people hate lawyers. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #37
That's one way of looking at it. malthaussen Feb 2016 #46
I'm against the death penalty but I pretty much see his point there Recursion Feb 2016 #39
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