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Recursion

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Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:19 AM Feb 2016

How to Cut Your Health-Care Bill: Pay Cash [View all]

Last edited Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:27 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-cut-your-health-care-bill-pay-cash-1455592277

(Yes, I know, WSJ... it's still really interesting)

Not long ago, hospitals routinely charged uninsured patients their highest rates, far more than insured patients paid for the same services. Now, in the Alice-in-Wonderland world of health-care prices, the opposite is often true: Patients who pay up front in cash often get better deals than their insurance plans have negotiated for them.

That is partly due to new state and federal rules aimed at protecting uninsured patients from price gouging. (Under the Affordable Care Act, for example, tax-exempt hospitals can’t charge financially strapped patients much more than Medicare pays.) Many hospitals also offer discounts if patients pay in cash on the day of service, because it saves administrative work and collection hassles. Cash prices are officially aimed at the uninsured, but people with coverage aren’t legally required to use it.

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ClearHealthCosts has compiled self-pay prices for dozens of tests and procedures in eight cities and found a vast range. In Houston, an MRI for the lower back can cost as little as $750 at an imaging clinic and as much as $1,961 at an academic medical center. A colonoscopy in San Francisco is $600 at one surgical center and $5,500 at another.

Finding the negotiated rates for those same services is tougher, since many insurance contracts bar payers and providers from disclosing them. But individual plan members can see that information on their Explanation of Benefit statements, so ClearHealthCosts has joined with public radio stations in New York, California and Pennsylvania, asking listeners to anonymously post what their health provider charged, what their insurance paid and what they paid out of pocket. Thousands have responded, showing that in many cases, while insurers had negotiated a big discount off the provider’s original charge, the negotiated rates were still higher than the service would have cost in cash at the same place or nearby.


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Completely broken system, ridiculous article. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #1
I've always found that argument ridiculous Recursion Feb 2016 #4
I shopped around for my orthodontist services when I needed braces jamzrockz Feb 2016 #10
99.9999 not ER? Care to back that up? Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #11
Clearly 99.9999 was hyperbole; it's 2% of national costs Recursion Feb 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Feb 2016 #19
seeing the discounts associated with insureance this sounds like bs to me dembotoz Feb 2016 #2
Our problem with healthcare is one of price discovery Recursion Feb 2016 #5
........ daleanime Feb 2016 #3
As always, the answer to financial problems is "have more money" Orrex Feb 2016 #6
For some people, sure Recursion Feb 2016 #7
Of course that only works if they know about it in advance Orrex Feb 2016 #8
People really overstate how much medical expenses are unexpected Recursion Feb 2016 #9
That's foolish. You're telling people to plan only for a best-case scenario Orrex Feb 2016 #13
The unexpected costs are why we have insurance Recursion Feb 2016 #15
Again, the advice is "have more money" Orrex Feb 2016 #16
. Iggo Feb 2016 #27
Insurers are not trying to save you money. bemildred Feb 2016 #14
They don't even seem to be trying to save *themselves* money Recursion Feb 2016 #21
High prices increase their cut. Duh. bemildred Feb 2016 #23
So, I should pause my heart attack and negotiate prices first? Wounded Bear Feb 2016 #17
Of course not. Orrex Feb 2016 #18
FFS this is such a ridiculous strawman Recursion Feb 2016 #20
If you can't see it... Wounded Bear Feb 2016 #22
So, nothing? Recursion Feb 2016 #24
I've read three specific answers to that particular question in this thread. LanternWaste Feb 2016 #25
Can you point to them? I see "ZOMG PEOPLE ARE TOO POOR TO PAY FOR IT" Recursion Feb 2016 #26
My daughter cost $5,000 a pound. jeff47 Feb 2016 #28
So, UCSF did a study last year Recursion Feb 2016 #29
Because they are not known-in-advance costs. jeff47 Feb 2016 #30
Well, hell, having insurance is also unworkable for anyone who isn't wealthy Recursion Feb 2016 #31
Golly, it's almost like we need a single-payer system. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #32
That wouldn't fix price discrepancies (in some ways it makes them worse) Recursion Feb 2016 #33
Only if that single-payer system can not negotiate. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #34
If Medicare can't, why would a universal system be able to? Recursion Feb 2016 #35
Because Medicare doesn't negotiate much. jeff47 Feb 2016 #36
Did you even bother to google? Recursion Feb 2016 #37
Before I had insurance I had to pre-pay for operations csziggy Feb 2016 #38
Personal experience says .... GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #39
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