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malthaussen

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45. Legally, not at all.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:43 AM
Feb 2016

The Court reaches a decision based on evidence presented. If insufficient evidence was presented to result in acquittal, then the sentence was properly arrived at. The emergence of later evidence does not invalidate the court's decision. One might argue, if one had a concern for equity, that the emergence of such evidence is grounds for a retrial or re-assessment of the case, but there is nothing in law that requires it. Mr Justice Scalia's opinion is factually correct, but morally repugnant.

You must remember that the purpose of the Court, the purpose of the Law, is not to find the truth, but only to determine what is probable beyond a certain level of doubt. If the verdict and the truth correspond, then so much the better, and normally this is an aspiration of the law. The procedures developed are an attempt to arrive at this correlation, but not all cases are cut-and-dried.

It's rather like science, in one way. Scientific truth is only so good as our instruments of observation and measurement. It may often happen that an experiment is procedurally correct and complete, but returns results that are later discovered to be incomplete or incorrect, simply because technical improvements have improved the evidence. That results in re-writing the textbooks, but no one would suggest incompetence or ill-will on the part of the researcher when this happens. They did they best they could with the tools at hand. (For example, when I had my stroke, the initial ultrasound discovered no infarct, while the MRI found three. The former was properly done, just not capable of detecting the defect)

For the authoritarian, and this is what this ruling is all about, make no mistake, there is no acceptance of the concept of flexibility or adaptation to circumstances or new evidence. And when one is a strict authoritarian in government, the sacredness of the decisions made by authority override all other considerations (you can see this, in fact, in the claim that "my second amendment rights are more important than your dead child&quot . The governing power can not admit error under any circumstances. (This is why, for example, until the 19th century truth was no defense in a libel case) Mr Justice Scalia was firmly within this tradition.

-- Mal

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Oh come off of it. He took Ruth Ginsberg to the opera jberryhill Feb 2016 #1
And what does it say about Ruthie... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #15
It says she likes a good opera jberryhill Feb 2016 #16
It says she liked him for his good facets. Hortensis Feb 2016 #22
Correct, as I said, it's not as if these decisions affected them jberryhill Feb 2016 #26
And it has never appeared to me... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #28
Couldn't Agree More RobinA Feb 2016 #31
That is NOT what I meant. Notorious RBG is a Hortensis Feb 2016 #29
Who said she's not a fine woman jberryhill Feb 2016 #30
Overlooking foibles and peccadilloes... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #33
I agree with everything you have written in this thread. nt laundry_queen Feb 2016 #40
Justices attempt to influence outcomes Hortensis Feb 2016 #42
He had a very strange concept of justice. nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #2
"Mere" Iggo Feb 2016 #3
That is the part that got to me too Sanity Claws Feb 2016 #6
It is, if you're an authoritarian. malthaussen Feb 2016 #11
THIS! Authoritarians feel that maintaining a strong Hortensis Feb 2016 #23
In Guy Sajer's book, The Forgotten Soldier, is an unforgettable vignette: malthaussen Feb 2016 #25
Authoritarianism relies on blind adherence to the status quo Major Nikon Feb 2016 #44
The title of the OP is apparently not an actual quote, though widely reported as such. nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2016 #18
but, but, his family and RBG loved him so... mountain grammy Feb 2016 #4
Can we dance now without all the sad people telling us that we are SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #5
Most of those are right wing types anyway SwankyXomb Feb 2016 #17
you noticed that too. KG Feb 2016 #21
I noticed it too laundry_queen Feb 2016 #41
But he was a jenus! Brilliant mind, just look at his solid logic for sending an innocent person Rex Feb 2016 #7
That's been on my mind the last few days. The fact that ANYONE would reduce innocence.... Liberal Veteran Feb 2016 #8
Hence lastone Feb 2016 #9
My two cents FiveGoodMen Feb 2016 #10
well said kpete Feb 2016 #19
and mere factual death is no reason to confer respect on a piece of shit. Solly Mack Feb 2016 #12
Everything you need to know about this person is in that one sentence Scalded Nun Feb 2016 #13
I can't understanding how some of the pundits following his death are avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #14
Fat Tony was brilliant ... GeorgeGist Feb 2016 #20
Brilliance is no guarantee of decency. white_wolf Feb 2016 #24
And for me, that is the key. Ilsa Feb 2016 #36
A philosophical question: malthaussen Feb 2016 #47
"I didn't agree with his OUTcomes. But he had intelligent reasoning behind them all." HughBeaumont Feb 2016 #27
Oh, but don't gravedance. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #32
Reminds of the parental philosophy Karma13612 Feb 2016 #34
Um, wouldn't factual innocence imply that the death sentence had not been properly reached? KamaAina Feb 2016 #35
No. Why would it? (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #38
Legally, not at all. malthaussen Feb 2016 #45
This is the kind of amoral legalistic nitpicking that makes people hate lawyers. Odin2005 Feb 2016 #37
That's one way of looking at it. malthaussen Feb 2016 #46
I'm against the death penalty but I pretty much see his point there Recursion Feb 2016 #39
Kick and rec for our republican visitors. Kingofalldems Feb 2016 #43
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