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Glassunion

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11. Not what they are asking for.

Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:16 PM

Feb 2016

They are asking for a generic back door.

It is not a 'sticky widget' because law enforcement (or any governmental agency) does not have any rights. People have rights, government has powers.

Yes LE has the authority to gather evidence. LE has no right to gather evidence. LE has the phone, and no way to unlock it, and that is the limit of the evidence they have.

What LE should do instead, is get a warrant for the information on the phone, serve Apple with the Warrant, send the phone to Apple Labs, and have Apple unlock the phone if it is possible. LE should not be looking for a generic tool that can be used on millions of phones.

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Iphone owners can....or should......feel proud that the Apple CEO is taking on the FBI [View all] dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 OP

Tim Cook is one of the most activist CEOs ever. In a good way. Not the usual way. nt onehandle Feb 2016 #1

i disagree in the case of the isis killers MariaThinks Feb 2016 #2

did you read the letter by the CEO which addressed that very issue? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #3

But how is this different from searching bank records, phone records, etc.? randome Feb 2016 #4

Bank records, you ask the bank. Phone records, you ask the phone company. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #9

You'd be giving the gov't their own back door to all iPhones just to get at these two iPhones. Iggo Feb 2016 #18

So Apple/Tim Cook is basically admitting that even Apple can not be trusted... True Earthling Feb 2016 #21

There is nothing in the letter about Apple not being truatworthy dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #28

Apple does have access to the data. True Earthling Feb 2016 #34

That's the problem. The government is not looking to get on these 2 people's phones. Glassunion Feb 2016 #6

I think they're asking for an OS they can install on the captured phone, and only that phone. randome Feb 2016 #8

Not what they are asking for. Glassunion Feb 2016 #11

"Rights" versus "powers...excellent distinction. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #16

the fact that the FBI is NOT wanting to send the phone to Apple dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #33

Lol, setting a standard is not something you understand. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #13

Yes. I'm glad he's taking a stand. NV Whino Feb 2016 #5

And as soon as they are done hacking the the two phones, I hope Apple issues a patch for it. Glassunion Feb 2016 #7

Yep. NV Whino Feb 2016 #10

I am so glad you see the issue clearly. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #12

I am remembering how outraged we all felt when AT&T secretly tapped all our phones for the Gov. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #24

Glad Apple is fighting this! The government is out of control! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #14

So in other words Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #15

FFS, you miss the whole point. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #17

Aimed right past it, more like. Iggo Feb 2016 #20

Nope, but if it makes you feel better! Nt Logical Feb 2016 #22

Let's review... Iggo Feb 2016 #23

What???????? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #19

Uh, right. They can't access it, so they're "hoarding" it REP Feb 2016 #25

If Apple had the data, unencrypted, then a standard subpoena is all that would be required. jeff47 Feb 2016 #26

And a court is demanding it ....... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #29

That's not accurate. True Earthling Feb 2016 #35

Unlike Google Apple does not collect or have the data that the Gov. wants awake Feb 2016 #27

And this would, of course, effect every government agent/employee that uses justiceischeap Feb 2016 #30

aha!!! Good point. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #31

LOL proud Egnever Feb 2016 #32

Not very proud of Apple. ozone_man Feb 2016 #36

I'll just leave this here and see myself out... Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #37

And that's only since 2008! randome Feb 2016 #39

I do appreciate your finding that....seriously. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #40

I wonder if this is like the Taylor Swift/Apple Music flap Orrex Feb 2016 #38