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In reply to the discussion: Health Savings Accounts: a tax-sheltered way to pay for quackery [View all]Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)84. Not only that, these quacks claim their "treatment" is more effective...
if a person forgoes actual medical care.
Whenever you hear about a child dying because their parents decided to hire religious quacks to pray for them, rather than saving their life with effective medical care, think Christian Science.
Ian Lundman, age 11, died of diabetes in 1989 in suburban Minneapolis. His father had left Christian Science, but did not have custody. The boy lost weight and became lethargic. A school official noticed a fruity odor on Ians breath, a classic diabetes symptom, but did not recognize it as such nor did she know his mother and stepfather had religious beliefs against medical care.
They retained a Christian Science practitioner for spiritual treatment of Ians illness. The practitioner billed them $446 for his prayers over two days.
An unlicensed Christian Science nurse sat by Ians bedside for the last five hours of his life as he lay in a diabetic coma. She knew that he did not respond to anyone. She observed his vomiting, labored breathing, excessive urination, facial spasms, and clenched teeth. Nevertheless, her concept of care was to give him drops of water through a straw and to tie a sandwich bag and washcloth around his scrotum. She did not call for medical help or ask his mother to obtain it.
They retained a Christian Science practitioner for spiritual treatment of Ians illness. The practitioner billed them $446 for his prayers over two days.
An unlicensed Christian Science nurse sat by Ians bedside for the last five hours of his life as he lay in a diabetic coma. She knew that he did not respond to anyone. She observed his vomiting, labored breathing, excessive urination, facial spasms, and clenched teeth. Nevertheless, her concept of care was to give him drops of water through a straw and to tie a sandwich bag and washcloth around his scrotum. She did not call for medical help or ask his mother to obtain it.
http://childrenshealthcare.org/?page_id=132
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You and many others. Which is why the baby-with-the-bathwater tone of the article seems
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2016
#4
I stop by to have lunch with the accounts payable person assigned to me at the clinic.
HuckleB
Feb 2016
#15
Well, for the past five years, employer insurance has paid for all sorts of non-standard treatments.
haele
Feb 2016
#9
For most people, they can't put enough in a health savings account to pay for anything
shraby
Feb 2016
#10
The whole idea behind tax breaks is to encourage things that benefit society
Major Nikon
Feb 2016
#23
Still not cited. I see nowhere in your link Christian Science being covered
CommonSenseDemocrat
Feb 2016
#34
You also said conclusively, "HSA's cannot be used to pay for non medical expenses"
Major Nikon
Feb 2016
#37
They cannot be. I've never backtracked. What you are saying is very outrageous.
CommonSenseDemocrat
Feb 2016
#39
So asserting that praying for someone isn't medical treatment is outrageous bigotry
Major Nikon
Feb 2016
#40
There are no licensed medical professionals in the Church of Christ, Scientist.
progressoid
Feb 2016
#49
Actually, "Various U.S. federal, state, and private health insurance plans provide for the reimburse
progressoid
Feb 2016
#58
So.........You seem to be comfortable implying that I'm being disingenuous, but.....
WillowTree
Feb 2016
#100
Sure, and pointing out Christian Science is quackery is just like the Donald hating on the Muslims
Major Nikon
Feb 2016
#62
On DU it's not uncommon to see someone choose willfull ignorance when facts disagree with them
cleanhippie
Feb 2016
#60
Yeah, you claimed Christian Science quacks were actually licensed by the state
Major Nikon
Feb 2016
#59
Sure, anyone who calls Christian "Science" quackery MUST be a pawn of big pharma
Major Nikon
Feb 2016
#67
This a valid criticism of the HSA model, not what the OP is talking about
CommonSenseDemocrat
Feb 2016
#53
People who twist themselves into pretzels to defend alternative medicine...
Major Nikon
Feb 2016
#73
Well the source here "seems to think" Christian Science Practitioners are licensed by the state
Major Nikon
Feb 2016
#105
Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine.
progressoid
Feb 2016
#55
HSAs are mostly used for traditional medicine, and are needed now more than ever.
Yo_Mama
Feb 2016
#70