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Meldread

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40. There is no way that I could support Lincoln.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:53 AM
Feb 2016

I think Lincoln gets too much credit.

First, he gets credit for freeing the slaves as if he were somehow morally driven to do it. It's true that he hated slavery on a personal level, but at every turn his hand was forced by events beyond his control. The Civil War itself was long in the making even before he became President. His chief objective during the Civil War was to preserve the Union at all costs. In his own words, "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." - Abraham Lincoln in a "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862).

Second, there is the matter of him selecting Andrew Johnson as his Vice President, who ultimately became President after Lincoln was assassinated. Now, one could argue that Lincoln shouldn't be held responsible for President Johnson's administration, but he selected him to be his VP. This is seriously like John McCain selecting Sarah Palin to be one heart beat from the Presidency. As a result, Lincoln gets a bullet to the head, and America gets President Palin errr... President Johnson. He EASILY makes the list for the worst President in the entire history of the United States. Easily. He makes the top three, and really he should be first on the list without any real competition. There is a reason that he was the first President to ever be impeached.

If we want to blame a single individual for the failure of Post Civil War Reconstruction, we can easily lay that right at the feet of President Johnson. We were literally in the middle of ending slavery, when this racist asshole that Lincoln put on the ticket, decided 'Meh. Fuck black people. I don't give a shit about them. They should go back to being slaves again! I just want to fuck over those uppity Plantation owners, and make them kiss my mother fucking Presidential ring as if I were the god damn Pope! Make them all send me, personally, letters of apology!' ...and yeah, well... things went down hill from there.

We literally had a brief time after the Civil War where black people were equal to white people--at least in the South. They were voting and actually becoming elected officials. Literally, they were going from being slaves to elected leaders. There was this brief moment in time when, after all the horror of the Civil War, we had the opportunity to make good on the promise of the country. We had the opportunity to set things as right as they could be, and make all citizens free and equal (except for women of course). However, President Johnson fucked it all up.

Thankfully, we got General Grant to become President after him. He was amazing. However, the situation was too far gone for him to really save it, and the decisions made by Johnson had already fucked things up so much... Here is a wonderful opinion piece on President Grant in relation to Republican efforts to knock him off the $50 and replace him with Saint Ronald Reagan back in 2010. Grant is one of the most under respected Presidents in this country, and could easily be argued that he *IS* the Civil Rights President, more so than any President before or since. Just imagine how different the country would have been with a strong leader like Grant in the White House during and after the Civil War.

Literally, it wasn't until the 1960's and the Civil Rights Movement that we were getting shit done that President Grant was doing way back in the day in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War.

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Who was the best President? [View all] CommonSenseDemocrat Feb 2016 OP
obama, carter..... mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #1
ps I was not alive during kennedy mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #2
I have to go with Obama. He brought us the ACA and ended the Iraq war for us. CTyankee Feb 2016 #3
And made peace with Cuba and Iran. Rex Feb 2016 #4
I remember the JFK funeral, GGJohn Feb 2016 #16
My parents told me at the time of the shooting, everyone was hysterical and crying. Rex Feb 2016 #17
LBJ brought Medicare & Medicaid and a ton of other other things Jim Beard Feb 2016 #49
Well, there was that whole Vietnam thing but since FDR was not included, I have to go with LBJ tularetom Feb 2016 #5
It is tough to say "except for Vietnam" but I agree. Civil Rights, Medicare/Medicaid, pampango Feb 2016 #13
Hey Hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today? oberliner Feb 2016 #25
about the same number as those obstructing healthcare reform Bucky Feb 2016 #39
While I was alive, Obama sakabatou Feb 2016 #6
Same here craigmatic Feb 2016 #20
Of the people on the list I would say Obama. Vinca Feb 2016 #7
Jack Kennedy. hifiguy Feb 2016 #8
JFK almost caused WWIII. Bay of Pigs, missiles in Italy and Turkey CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #42
Kennedy walked in on a military industrial complex that even subverted Ike's attempts at peace yurbud Feb 2016 #52
Not sure JFK can take the blame for ordering the Bay of Pigs CdnExtraNational Feb 2016 #53
No FDR? hlthe2b Feb 2016 #9
This was my first thought as well. n/t inanna Feb 2016 #10
Sorry, I went chronologically to be fair and balanced CommonSenseDemocrat Feb 2016 #14
FDR. Best of all. earthside Feb 2016 #28
FDR Matrosov Feb 2016 #11
Agree n/t BuelahWitch Feb 2016 #24
hands down rurallib Feb 2016 #26
Always and Forever charlyvi Feb 2016 #41
of all time, yes. yurbud Feb 2016 #50
Of the ones you listed... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #12
Well, Washington, Lincoln and FDR suggest themselves... First Speaker Feb 2016 #15
No. lpbk2713 Feb 2016 #18
Lincoln. Not even close. kairos12 Feb 2016 #19
Why? earthside Feb 2016 #27
Despite the practically insurmountable challenges kairos12 Feb 2016 #32
Thanks of your input. earthside Feb 2016 #38
that's a pretty good record even without freeing slaves yurbud Feb 2016 #51
There is no way that I could support Lincoln. Meldread Feb 2016 #40
FDR in the 20th century PADemD Feb 2016 #21
Toss up between LBJ, Clinton and Obama. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2016 #22
Write-in vote for FDR. nt earthshine Feb 2016 #23
FDR then LBJ. since then? meh? JanMichael Feb 2016 #29
In my lifetime, Obama but I history will tell gwheezie Feb 2016 #30
"Historically" no FDR? Herman4747 Feb 2016 #33
Eleanor would have been great for many reasons. gwheezie Feb 2016 #36
FDR, who is not one if your choices. n/t ms liberty Feb 2016 #31
Bad poll without FDR. Kingofalldems Feb 2016 #34
Most DUers weren't around for FDR or Truman Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2016 #44
John F. Kennedy. The last President to speak the truth to the American people. Shandris Feb 2016 #35
there's a lot sheer delusion going on now, seeing these results Skittles Feb 2016 #43
Out of these? Obama definitely robhalf4369 Feb 2016 #37
In my lifetime - Bill Clinton Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2016 #45
I say a tie between Lincoln and FDR HughBeaumont Feb 2016 #46
Either Lincoln or FDR. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #47
if not for Vietnam, it would have been LBJ. Although if Kennedy had lived, he might have done much yurbud Feb 2016 #48
FDR IllinoisBrenel Feb 2016 #54
FDR. No president in the last century and a half can touch what he achieved. It is not even close. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #55
Last I checked there were 44 to choose from. Glassunion Feb 2016 #56
James K Polk, obviously Orrex Feb 2016 #57
Carter because he was the least political and most decent. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #58
Of those listed, I rank BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #59
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