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(11,746 posts) Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:11 PM Feb 2016

Posers' Racket: How "Progressives" Let President Obama Down [View all]

"If Obama thinks we're loyal to him," I once said on a comment at the Daily Kos, "he should know we're even more loyal to our principles". I paraphrase, but that was the gist of one of my comments in 2009, on an article about the ever illusive public option during the health care reform debate. I was angry at the possibility of the public option being dropped from health care reform, and starting to buy into the Lefty blogosphere-propagated hysteria that Barack Obama was selling us out.

Then, a lightbulb went off in my head. A voice said, "Well, maybe you should read the actual legislation first, before you decide the President is selling out your values." And so I became one of the roughly 13 people in America to actually "read the bill."

When I read it, I saw that being loyal to my principles and being loyal to this president were not only compatible, but essentially synonymous.

More here: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/2/9/posers-racket-how-progressives-let-obama-down#.Vrp6lwKzATD.twitter

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This message was self-deleted by its author Cary Feb 2016 #1

It's good that we didn't kill the bill, but lacking the public option is causing political problems. w4rma Feb 2016 #2

We don't have a public option because it wasn't possible to get it from Republicans and Blue Dogs Cary Feb 2016 #4

It's my understanding that LIEberman was the single vote that killed it off. w4rma Feb 2016 #6

Whatever Cary Feb 2016 #7

Consider that it's the "New" Democrats who are older and dying off. And the younger generation is w4rma Feb 2016 #8

My strategy? Cary Feb 2016 #11

I should have said that it is the strategy of those whom you are supporting. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #14

If you asked me, instead of trying to tell me. Cary Feb 2016 #20

I'll agree with you on these specific points. You are correct, there. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #29

radical leftists- that would be the term that conservatives use to smear progressives virtualobserver Feb 2016 #54

Perhaps. Cary Feb 2016 #69

I'm not sensitive. The only radical element in our current equation is the Republican party virtualobserver Feb 2016 #83

I find discussions with the radical left to be useless and unproductive Cary Feb 2016 #89

Funny, I find having discussions with a moderate much like a discussion with a bowl of oatmeal virtualobserver Feb 2016 #90

I'm sure you do. Cary Feb 2016 #92

what makes ME radical? virtualobserver Feb 2016 #94

I don't care enough about you to bother thinking about that Cary Feb 2016 #96

My apologies for not reinforcing your personal sense of correctness. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #97

Whatever that's supposed to mean Cary Feb 2016 #98

the pin that inspired Hillary to create her logo virtualobserver Feb 2016 #99

No, there was Leiberman ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #35

No. Only LIEberman was threatening to filibuster. The rest of them would only vote against. w4rma Feb 2016 #38

Leiberman may have threatened to filibuster the bill ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #40

*Exactly*. They weren't needed for the 50 vote majority. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #43

Are you suggesting that but for Leiberman's threat ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #48

I'm suggesting that they would have voted against it, still. But they wouldn't have filibustered. nt w4rma Feb 2016 #49

A bill's Death by Vote and death by filibuster, differs HOW? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #52

Math. Only 50 votes are needed to pass a bill. 60 votes are needed to sustain a filibuster. w4rma Feb 2016 #53

Math is correct ... The P/O didn't have 50 votes. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #56

The article says it did. Jeeze read stuff. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #58

Where is the article does it say Reid had the fifty votes ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #62

"Once a filibuster is cut off, health reform can pass with 50 votes (the 51st being Vice President" w4rma Feb 2016 #63

That doesn't say what you think it says ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #71

At least you're admitting that the votes MIGHT have been there. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #72

No ... You are HOPING the votes MIGHT have been there ... despite the fact that ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #78

You're saying the same thing that I'm clearly saying, but you're spinning it. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #100

I'm spinning but you are not ... Right? 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #101

NO! Those senators were never going to agree to a public option. Even my own senator, Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #42

Only LIEberman was threatening a filibuster. The rest would have only voted against. w4rma Feb 2016 #45

NO! NO! NO! That's not what was told to us. Even if LIEberman filibustered, they wouldn't have Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #46

So, you're saying that the other DLCers would have filibustered. That's not what the article says. w4rma Feb 2016 #47

They may have voted to end the filibuster, but when we called them to ask them to vote Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #51

The article says differently. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #55

I don't give a shit what the article says. We fucking called the senators' offices. We are going by Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #84

How was he going to disallow it? ieoeja Feb 2016 #61

No I'm going to do that. You do your own research. The opposition to the legislation with the public Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #82

Then let me give you a civics lesson. ieoeja Feb 2016 #102

60 votes to invoke cloture. Democrats didn't have 60 votes. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #104

You fucking admitted they had 59! This entire subthread is about Lieberman being the sole holdout. ieoeja Feb 2016 #105

It pisses me off when people deny history. It takes only ONE senator to filibuster Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #106

I've admitted there were at least five opposed to the public option. And five more maybes. ieoeja Feb 2016 #107

You're denying that there was enough support for a public option. There simply was not. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #109

"either chamber". The House voted on it. It passed. With a public option. ieoeja Feb 2016 #110

Are you sure that a version of the public option passed the House? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #112

That's not at all how it went down. cheapdate Feb 2016 #57

Senator Reid explains what happened, here. LIEberman filibustered. w4rma Feb 2016 #60

Well, that's part of the story, cheapdate Feb 2016 #64

No matter how many times this was explained, no one will listen. Even Sanders and Kucinich's single Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #32

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #36

Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #39

And history is repeating itself in this primary race. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #41

Seems that way. It's very frustrating. It's 100% PURITY or nothing at all. Ri-fucking-diculous! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #44

NO! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #50

I'm thinking that Clinton supporters must not give a flip about economic issues. w4rma Feb 2016 #65

Pure, and unadulterated, B.S., not worthy of continuing ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #73

Well said! Cary Feb 2016 #86

And many of those votes were in agreement with Obama. We talked about those, too. But they're not Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #87

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #85

They want to find a way to blame and bash the president. That's what this is about. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #88

I doubt they have thought it through to that level Cary Feb 2016 #91

True. I believe that, too. Though no Democratic candidate can win without the black vote... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #93

So, how is that part of being let down by progressives? Bradical79 Feb 2016 #77

That's strange... nationalize the fed Feb 2016 #108

I don't know if I'm a "progressive" or not but I'm prepared to let him down again tularetom Feb 2016 #3

But of course you are willing to let him down Cary Feb 2016 #5

That's terrific. Kall Feb 2016 #9

thepeoplesview... lol! demmiblue Feb 2016 #10

(Read slowly) Is that right? Cary Feb 2016 #13

Lol! demmiblue Feb 2016 #16

(Read slowly) You don't say? Cary Feb 2016 #17

BOOM! Out go the lights! Atman Feb 2016 #21

I find it humorous! demmiblue Feb 2016 #22

Uh huh Cary Feb 2016 #75

You just prove my point, that's all Cary Feb 2016 #70

It's not at all at all! Atman Feb 2016 #74

Do you know what an appeal to popularity is? Cary Feb 2016 #81

I'm turning off democrats? Seriously? Atman Feb 2016 #103

Maybe you don't remember how tedious the endless links to 'thepeoplesview' became muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #79

I cannot not remember Cary Feb 2016 #80

The site is infamous on DU, and michigandem58 for always linking to it muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #95

You survived one of the most ridiculous alerts ever: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #23

I dedicate this poem regarding ego to the alerter (one of all-time my favorites): demmiblue Feb 2016 #24

Perfect! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #25

Word of advice: Downtown Hound Feb 2016 #12

I have had this discussion here... Cary Feb 2016 #15

They supported LIEberman over the Democratic primary winner because LIEberman was the neoliberal. w4rma Feb 2016 #18

LIEberman is a rotten rat. Rotten to the core. yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #26

And too, President Obama is and has always been enormously popular among Democrats Cary Feb 2016 #19

I supported Obama in 2008 and 2012. I'd support Sanders over Obama, but w4rma Feb 2016 #27

LOL. If you really have to ask, you really haven't been paying much attention. Downtown Hound Feb 2016 #33

k+r Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #28

BRILLIANT ARTICLE!! I couldn't have stated it better. Liberals/progressives' "purity test" led to Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #30

I would say he "let me down" first. I went along with the bailing out, but at the same rime Obama... dmosh42 Feb 2016 #31

Those dirty fucking hippies alarimer Feb 2016 #34

Rham put the nail in the coffin with his comments Lordquinton Feb 2016 #37

I lulz'd KG Feb 2016 #59

We let him down? vi5 Feb 2016 #66

All the liberals voted for it zipplewrath Feb 2016 #68

Begging the Question zipplewrath Feb 2016 #67

At least the author didn't call us "fucking retards" arcane1 Feb 2016 #76

I can't believe anyone would post from the Pimple's Spew considering his DU reputation is so Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #111