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32. No matter how many times this was explained, no one will listen. Even Sanders and Kucinich's single

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:28 PM

Feb 2016

payer couldn't get through the subcommittee process. And the three public option alternatives in the House, along with the two in the Senate were blocked by DEMOCRATS.

Why are people so obtuse that they don't get this? The president never had the votes for a single payer system. And I remember calling Senators, practically begging their offices to at least consider the public option proposal. No matter what I said to them, the answer was NO! They were afraid for their electoral chances...they ended up losing, anyway. But is and never was the president's fault. He DID fight for the public option, going around the country talking to ordinary people about the public option; mentioning the public option in every speech, press conference and so on. It is absolutely NOT true that he didn't fight for it when it was clear that single payer was never getting anywhere.

And regardless of how many times I've had to explain this here on DU, the haters gon' hate.

Good luck with that.

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Posers' Racket: How "Progressives" Let President Obama Down [View all] Cary Feb 2016 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Cary Feb 2016 #1

It's good that we didn't kill the bill, but lacking the public option is causing political problems. w4rma Feb 2016 #2

We don't have a public option because it wasn't possible to get it from Republicans and Blue Dogs Cary Feb 2016 #4

It's my understanding that LIEberman was the single vote that killed it off. w4rma Feb 2016 #6

Whatever Cary Feb 2016 #7

Consider that it's the "New" Democrats who are older and dying off. And the younger generation is w4rma Feb 2016 #8

My strategy? Cary Feb 2016 #11

I should have said that it is the strategy of those whom you are supporting. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #14

If you asked me, instead of trying to tell me. Cary Feb 2016 #20

I'll agree with you on these specific points. You are correct, there. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #29

radical leftists- that would be the term that conservatives use to smear progressives virtualobserver Feb 2016 #54

Perhaps. Cary Feb 2016 #69

I'm not sensitive. The only radical element in our current equation is the Republican party virtualobserver Feb 2016 #83

I find discussions with the radical left to be useless and unproductive Cary Feb 2016 #89

Funny, I find having discussions with a moderate much like a discussion with a bowl of oatmeal virtualobserver Feb 2016 #90

I'm sure you do. Cary Feb 2016 #92

what makes ME radical? virtualobserver Feb 2016 #94

I don't care enough about you to bother thinking about that Cary Feb 2016 #96

My apologies for not reinforcing your personal sense of correctness. virtualobserver Feb 2016 #97

Whatever that's supposed to mean Cary Feb 2016 #98

the pin that inspired Hillary to create her logo virtualobserver Feb 2016 #99

No, there was Leiberman ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #35

No. Only LIEberman was threatening to filibuster. The rest of them would only vote against. w4rma Feb 2016 #38

Leiberman may have threatened to filibuster the bill ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #40

*Exactly*. They weren't needed for the 50 vote majority. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #43

Are you suggesting that but for Leiberman's threat ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #48

I'm suggesting that they would have voted against it, still. But they wouldn't have filibustered. nt w4rma Feb 2016 #49

A bill's Death by Vote and death by filibuster, differs HOW? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #52

Math. Only 50 votes are needed to pass a bill. 60 votes are needed to sustain a filibuster. w4rma Feb 2016 #53

Math is correct ... The P/O didn't have 50 votes. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #56

The article says it did. Jeeze read stuff. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #58

Where is the article does it say Reid had the fifty votes ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #62

"Once a filibuster is cut off, health reform can pass with 50 votes (the 51st being Vice President" w4rma Feb 2016 #63

That doesn't say what you think it says ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #71

At least you're admitting that the votes MIGHT have been there. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #72

No ... You are HOPING the votes MIGHT have been there ... despite the fact that ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #78

You're saying the same thing that I'm clearly saying, but you're spinning it. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #100

I'm spinning but you are not ... Right? 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #101

NO! Those senators were never going to agree to a public option. Even my own senator, Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #42

Only LIEberman was threatening a filibuster. The rest would have only voted against. w4rma Feb 2016 #45

NO! NO! NO! That's not what was told to us. Even if LIEberman filibustered, they wouldn't have Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #46

So, you're saying that the other DLCers would have filibustered. That's not what the article says. w4rma Feb 2016 #47

They may have voted to end the filibuster, but when we called them to ask them to vote Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #51

The article says differently. (nt) w4rma Feb 2016 #55

I don't give a shit what the article says. We fucking called the senators' offices. We are going by Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #84

How was he going to disallow it? ieoeja Feb 2016 #61

No I'm going to do that. You do your own research. The opposition to the legislation with the public Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #82

Then let me give you a civics lesson. ieoeja Feb 2016 #102

60 votes to invoke cloture. Democrats didn't have 60 votes. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #104

You fucking admitted they had 59! This entire subthread is about Lieberman being the sole holdout. ieoeja Feb 2016 #105

It pisses me off when people deny history. It takes only ONE senator to filibuster Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #106

I've admitted there were at least five opposed to the public option. And five more maybes. ieoeja Feb 2016 #107

You're denying that there was enough support for a public option. There simply was not. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #109

"either chamber". The House voted on it. It passed. With a public option. ieoeja Feb 2016 #110

Are you sure that a version of the public option passed the House? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #112

That's not at all how it went down. cheapdate Feb 2016 #57

Senator Reid explains what happened, here. LIEberman filibustered. w4rma Feb 2016 #60

Well, that's part of the story, cheapdate Feb 2016 #64

No matter how many times this was explained, no one will listen. Even Sanders and Kucinich's single Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #32

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #36

Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #39

And history is repeating itself in this primary race. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #41

Seems that way. It's very frustrating. It's 100% PURITY or nothing at all. Ri-fucking-diculous! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #44

NO! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #50

I'm thinking that Clinton supporters must not give a flip about economic issues. w4rma Feb 2016 #65

Pure, and unadulterated, B.S., not worthy of continuing ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #73

Well said! Cary Feb 2016 #86

And many of those votes were in agreement with Obama. We talked about those, too. But they're not Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #87

Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #85

They want to find a way to blame and bash the president. That's what this is about. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #88

I doubt they have thought it through to that level Cary Feb 2016 #91

True. I believe that, too. Though no Democratic candidate can win without the black vote... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #93

So, how is that part of being let down by progressives? Bradical79 Feb 2016 #77

That's strange... nationalize the fed Feb 2016 #108

I don't know if I'm a "progressive" or not but I'm prepared to let him down again tularetom Feb 2016 #3

But of course you are willing to let him down Cary Feb 2016 #5

That's terrific. Kall Feb 2016 #9

thepeoplesview... lol! demmiblue Feb 2016 #10

(Read slowly) Is that right? Cary Feb 2016 #13

Lol! demmiblue Feb 2016 #16

(Read slowly) You don't say? Cary Feb 2016 #17

BOOM! Out go the lights! Atman Feb 2016 #21

I find it humorous! demmiblue Feb 2016 #22

Uh huh Cary Feb 2016 #75

You just prove my point, that's all Cary Feb 2016 #70

It's not at all at all! Atman Feb 2016 #74

Do you know what an appeal to popularity is? Cary Feb 2016 #81

I'm turning off democrats? Seriously? Atman Feb 2016 #103

Maybe you don't remember how tedious the endless links to 'thepeoplesview' became muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #79

I cannot not remember Cary Feb 2016 #80

The site is infamous on DU, and michigandem58 for always linking to it muriel_volestrangler Feb 2016 #95

You survived one of the most ridiculous alerts ever: beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #23

I dedicate this poem regarding ego to the alerter (one of all-time my favorites): demmiblue Feb 2016 #24

Perfect! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #25

Word of advice: Downtown Hound Feb 2016 #12

I have had this discussion here... Cary Feb 2016 #15

They supported LIEberman over the Democratic primary winner because LIEberman was the neoliberal. w4rma Feb 2016 #18

LIEberman is a rotten rat. Rotten to the core. yourpaljoey Feb 2016 #26

And too, President Obama is and has always been enormously popular among Democrats Cary Feb 2016 #19

I supported Obama in 2008 and 2012. I'd support Sanders over Obama, but w4rma Feb 2016 #27

LOL. If you really have to ask, you really haven't been paying much attention. Downtown Hound Feb 2016 #33

k+r Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #28

BRILLIANT ARTICLE!! I couldn't have stated it better. Liberals/progressives' "purity test" led to Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #30

I would say he "let me down" first. I went along with the bailing out, but at the same rime Obama... dmosh42 Feb 2016 #31

Those dirty fucking hippies alarimer Feb 2016 #34

Rham put the nail in the coffin with his comments Lordquinton Feb 2016 #37

I lulz'd KG Feb 2016 #59

We let him down? vi5 Feb 2016 #66

All the liberals voted for it zipplewrath Feb 2016 #68

Begging the Question zipplewrath Feb 2016 #67

At least the author didn't call us "fucking retards" arcane1 Feb 2016 #76

I can't believe anyone would post from the Pimple's Spew considering his DU reputation is so Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #111