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whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
23. Bit of truth I would guess here, but a problem?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:01 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not particularly absorbed in racial issues, but I know that I both consciously reject any notions of racial superiority while, mostly subconsciously but not always, have adopted some racist attitudes. Does it bother me? Sure, a bit. Do I overcompensate in narcissitic ways? Possibly occasionally yep. However it's almost impossible to not have racial prejudices (not necessarily negative assumptions per se, for example I might expect a black sprinter to win a televised 100m race, knowing nothing about the runners' abilities) which in whites in the US is complicated by benefitting from institutional racism, so anyone self-aware and reflective is bound to have some twinges. I'd say the problem is with those who do not try to compensate for realized bias.

This becomes a minefield however in any informed discussion because there ARE generalizable cultural, or rather subcultural, differences which mean both some behaviors and some outcomes are likely to be different for blacks on aggregate as opposed to whites. These are never universal and rarely normative. Not all black men are better basketball players than all white men, but the vast majority of NBA players are black for good reasons; the cultural importance of the game and impetus to pursue excellence at it are stronger among the black population for a start, generally speaking. Please note what I said about universalization before you respond. Is it normatively superior or inferior to care so much about basketball as opposed to, say, hockey? Nothing but subjective bias would say so. Things however get worse where normative impulses are not purely subjective, and we need to be able to talk about those.

People shouldn't kill each other is largely unquestioned as normative, and it should not rationally be seen as racist to say black people do so at a higher rate than white people in the US. It certainly WOULD be racist to say they do so because they are black, rather than a whole host of socioeconomic and cultural reasons, racism itself not least among them, but that white liberal narcissistic response often quashes such discussions, assuming even noting data must be racist. Even here, where such a discussion would naturally be focused on why the hell our shared culture is more likely to turn black men into killers than white men and what if anything we can do to stop that over time, rather than the Fox/Yahoo bilge that it somehow comes through the melanin, the hypersensitive narcissistic guilt described just tends to shout "racist!" and pretend it's solved the problem and done something honorable. THAT is the problem with overcompensated guilt, and it is inimical to the stated and conscious goals of avowed non-racists.

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white privilege , white guilt , white narcissism saturnsring Feb 2016 #1
I know right flamingdem Feb 2016 #3
And all because you were born with a certain skin color and you can never change that fact. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #7
Yep. FLPanhandle Feb 2016 #9
at what point does posts like this become racist saturnsring Feb 2016 #11
Now, it's racist not to feel guilty about one's own race? FLPanhandle Feb 2016 #15
"talking about racism is as bad as racism itself..." LanternWaste Feb 2016 #19
Most fish are not conscious of the water they take for granted. LanternWaste Feb 2016 #18
and some people see ghosts saturnsring Feb 2016 #36
That's a really bad metaphor. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #40
You need to "GET FUCKING EDUCATED" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2016 #31
Damned if you do and damned if you don't alarimer Feb 2016 #2
My favorite is Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #6
You don't appreciate Kanye??? GummyBearz Feb 2016 #8
Actually, as of late I genuinely fear for his well-being and those around him. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #10
The 53MM thing is so weird GummyBearz Feb 2016 #12
Allegedly 40 million of that was invested in that "clothing" line of his. NobodyHere Feb 2016 #59
I see GummyBearz Feb 2016 #65
Just because he has 53 million dollars in debt NobodyHere Feb 2016 #67
Admit it, you were busted rappin' in the car snooper2 Feb 2016 #20
Actually -- Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #21
I caught some flack over Iggy Azalea too. NaturalHigh Feb 2016 #28
That article misses a few steps kcr Feb 2016 #16
Best to just ignore the race batters... TipTok Feb 2016 #49
Paying an obviously poor person's bill at the grocery store is an admirable thing to do. Nye Bevan Feb 2016 #4
+1 nt brer cat Feb 2016 #25
You get it. herding cats Feb 2016 #45
This is good, and this is hard. lapislzi Feb 2016 #5
Is this self-examination about me? The2ndWheel Feb 2016 #13
Frankly, I think everyone, Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #14
dead to irony Angel Martin Feb 2016 #61
What would be new about people behaving well Hortensis Feb 2016 #17
IMHO. OkSustainAg Feb 2016 #22
Bit of truth I would guess here, but a problem? whatthehey Feb 2016 #23
Self reflection easttexaslefty Feb 2016 #24
I'm sick of the racial politics Trajan Feb 2016 #26
BRILLIANT!! And bookmarked! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #27
I'm glad I don't feel guilty then. NaturalHigh Feb 2016 #29
Call me when you make up your mind ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2016 #30
These are good issues to think about. ananda Feb 2016 #32
That is precisely the issue: working together. But that is so-o-o-o boring. nt Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #34
Whew! I'm relieved to know it's just some kitchy, T.V.-oriented flip-off. Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #33
Wow are the replies in this thread sad. N/t gollygee Feb 2016 #35
Speaks volumes, doesn't it? KamaAina Feb 2016 #37
Seriously, I THOUGHT I joined a somewhat progressive forum pault420 Feb 2016 #48
DU has been quite illuminating lately Blasphemer Feb 2016 #50
They sure are... Last_Stand Feb 2016 #55
Ridiculous generalization malaise Feb 2016 #38
I thought the author was going somewhere else at first. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #52
I would put politics and religion in that same category. ShrimpPoboy Feb 2016 #54
It's societal. Cultural. Quantess Feb 2016 #39
HWHITE!!! BE AFRAID, IT'S AN EVIL HWHITE! Shandris Feb 2016 #41
So basically. romanic Feb 2016 #42
where in the USA has a "complete societal ostracization of racists" that is genuine and constant? bettyellen Feb 2016 #43
The Bay Area? KamaAina Feb 2016 #44
LOL, does not exist. bettyellen Feb 2016 #46
Well stated ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #47
Ahhh the iorny of these subthreads is hilarious. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #51
Careful, now. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #53
Nice attitude... n/t Last_Stand Feb 2016 #57
Thanks! Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #64
Nice armchair psychology... Last_Stand Feb 2016 #56
Of course. It's not real journalism. It's just some blog. Bonx Feb 2016 #58
Glad I don't suffer from white guilt. ileus Feb 2016 #60
You can't say "all white people... [fill in the blank]" and not be wrong about most Bucky Feb 2016 #62
Extreme selfishness and a disregard for the feelings of others ronnie624 Feb 2016 #63
"Each one must learn for himself the highest wisdom. It cannot be taught in words." Zorra Feb 2016 #66
I find White Pride and White Guilt equally absurd. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #68
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