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In reply to the discussion: I don't understand how one can be pro living wage and pro widespread immigration. [View all]guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)27. Somewhat shaky logic here:
First, when you wrote:
The reality is that if one can't command a living wage from the labor market in today's world, the reason is that they are not particularly skilled and literally any human that is not severely developmentally disabled can perform the jobs that they are qualified for.
Case in point: The fast food workers demanding a raise. Literally anybody that isn't severely disabled can do that job.
Case in point: The fast food workers demanding a raise. Literally anybody that isn't severely disabled can do that job.
you are making the case, without a shred of evidence, that low wage workers are unskilled and undeserving of a living wage. Apart from the terrible implication that you feel some workers do not deserve to live, what makes you think that all service workers have no skills?
Second, when you say:
The glut of supply of low skilled labor causes significant downward pressure in wages.
I would reverse this to say that, because the laws are so stacked against workers, employers are taking advantage of "right to work" areas to depress wages so as to increase their profits. You put the blame on workers, I put the blame on employers.
Third, your grandfather, and many other workers,
I
think about my grandfather, who was a low skilled worker that worked in a beer bottling plant. He was able to support a wife and child with a low skill job.
That was possible because the demand for low skill labor was very high due to a smaller pool of labor competing for low skill jobs.
That was possible because the demand for low skill labor was very high due to a smaller pool of labor competing for low skill jobs.
was able to support a family because in the 1940s through the 1970s, levels of unionization were high. Workers were able to band together and demand a living wage.
The rich today enjoy wealth that was last seen prior to the Great Depression. Workers did not get less skilled, the rich got greedier.
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I don't understand how one can be pro living wage and pro widespread immigration. [View all]
ALago1
Feb 2016
OP
No. Only 10K employment-based immigrant visas are granted to "low skill" workers.
leveymg
Feb 2016
#28
50% seems too high. Anyway, "all immigrants" includes non-employment based categories
leveymg
Feb 2016
#45
If you watched MSNBC on Wednesday when Cokie Roberts was on she gave a perfect example of
Jitter65
Feb 2016
#130
Given that the statistic is 50% are on welfare, that would certainly mean not all.
ALago1
Feb 2016
#131
Given that they were passing through Canada, I'm guessing your in the north part of the country.
ALago1
Feb 2016
#132
There's a McDonald's in my neighborhood where you order and pay on large LED screens
Yavin4
Feb 2016
#20
And how are people going to buy things if they are all competing for scarce jobs?
ALago1
Feb 2016
#19
Wait your grandfather WAS an immigrant AND a low skill worker BUT now 2016, YOU don't want
Person 2713
Feb 2016
#35
I'm just pointing out the fact there were enough jobs to assimilate immigrants then compared to now.
ALago1
Feb 2016
#37
Now I am on a work break with a cardiologist from Turkey and an anesthesiologist from W. Africa
Person 2713
Feb 2016
#81
Yeah because the border is just being overrun with doctors and anesthesiologists.
ALago1
Feb 2016
#83
Back in your grandpa's day there were these things called UNIONS and Tariffs
whathehell
Feb 2016
#56
Lol. Calm down, dear...what's "fascinating" is your inability to stay on point
whathehell
Feb 2016
#118
1) By virtue of the fact that they want to run to government, they aren't skilled.
ALago1
Feb 2016
#32
1) By virtue of the fact that they want to run to government, they aren't skilled.
DonCoquixote
Feb 2016
#55
We should be helping with legitimate immigration, and immigration for the right reasons...
cascadiance
Feb 2016
#29
Many have argued that the source of what lead to the Arab Spring was climate change...
cascadiance
Feb 2016
#36
Interesting. Although not sure how many immigrants we've been having from the middle east recently.
ALago1
Feb 2016
#40
OTOH, the miltary is jam packed with guys doing jobs that almost anybody can do.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2016
#53
Well, actually, given the state of today's Democratic Party, I shouldn't be surprised.
Maedhros
Feb 2016
#86
i dont understand how empathy has borders. if i care about whether an average american can eat
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2016
#76
Because feeding a non American can only be done through American worker resources
ALago1
Feb 2016
#78
They should have the same rights as everyone else that has managed to get here.
giftedgirl77
Feb 2016
#88