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56. Back in your grandpa's day there were these things called UNIONS and Tariffs

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:53 PM

Feb 2016

that protected American wages and American jobs.

My father did indeed support two children on one unionized, low skilled job. His children both got college degrees and one now serves as a Superior Court judge, so forget the snark and read 20th century history or talk to someone over 60 years old.

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I don't understand how one can be pro living wage and pro widespread immigration. [View all] ALago1 Feb 2016 OP

what is G_j Feb 2016 #1

More than one million people a year. ALago1 Feb 2016 #3

Actually, the flow has been reversed nichomachus Feb 2016 #13

Good, so you agree with my premise. ALago1 Feb 2016 #16

No. Only 10K employment-based immigrant visas are granted to "low skill" workers. leveymg Feb 2016 #28

Then why do 50% of immigrants end up on welfare? ALago1 Feb 2016 #30

50% seems too high. Anyway, "all immigrants" includes non-employment based categories leveymg Feb 2016 #45

Here is one article reviewing the study I reference ALago1 Feb 2016 #70

Half of all "immigrants" are NOT on welfare. Hortensis Feb 2016 #117

Please cite a source. ALago1 Feb 2016 #121

Alago, go google. There's a whole world of real information Hortensis Feb 2016 #122

You've got nothing. Understood. ALago1 Feb 2016 #125

If you watched MSNBC on Wednesday when Cokie Roberts was on she gave a perfect example of Jitter65 Feb 2016 #130

Given that the statistic is 50% are on welfare, that would certainly mean not all. ALago1 Feb 2016 #131

Are you sure? Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #18

I can't check right now, but I did read that somewhere too. Bradical79 Feb 2016 #23

Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal? nt thereismore Feb 2016 #2

Both, but let's talk legal since there are stats around that. ALago1 Feb 2016 #4

I would not quite put it that way treestar Feb 2016 #50

While it is true people who work can be on welfare ALago1 Feb 2016 #62

i think most people think of being "on welfare" as AFDC or its successor treestar Feb 2016 #63

That's probably true ALago1 Feb 2016 #67

Its definitely not money goint to help pay for new healthcare programs Jim Beard Feb 2016 #71

That is interesting. I worked in the welfare office part time jwirr Feb 2016 #128

Given that they were passing through Canada, I'm guessing your in the north part of the country. ALago1 Feb 2016 #132

You would be surprised. We see them all the time but not in jwirr Feb 2016 #133

I agree hfojvt Feb 2016 #5

Thank you. 840high Feb 2016 #102

Eastern Europe has the right approach LittleBlue Feb 2016 #115

Automation is going to kill off those jobs before long anyway. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #6

How are they are going to buy things if they don't have jobs? ALago1 Feb 2016 #7

Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs Jim__ Feb 2016 #8

There's a McDonald's in my neighborhood where you order and pay on large LED screens Yavin4 Feb 2016 #20

I think you've made the best possible argument for a minimum living wage.... mike_c Feb 2016 #9

+1 leftstreet Feb 2016 #10

Since low skilled labor is available anywhere in the world... ALago1 Feb 2016 #12

I'm running to the hospital right now... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #11

. Iggo Feb 2016 #14

Welcome to Economics 101. ALago1 Feb 2016 #15

Yes, welcome to Econ 101 Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #17

And how are people going to buy things if they are all competing for scarce jobs? ALago1 Feb 2016 #19

The truth is, your granddaddy's job has been replaced by robots Yavin4 Feb 2016 #21

I don't disagree in the slightest ALago1 Feb 2016 #22

The size of the labor pool is irrelevant. Everything is getting automated. Yavin4 Feb 2016 #24

Thus a great reason for limiting immigration of low skilled labor. ALago1 Feb 2016 #25

Wait your grandfather WAS an immigrant AND a low skill worker BUT now 2016, YOU don't want Person 2713 Feb 2016 #35

I'm just pointing out the fact there were enough jobs to assimilate immigrants then compared to now. ALago1 Feb 2016 #37

Yes, and for most of our history whathehell Feb 2016 #58

Now I am on a work break with a cardiologist from Turkey and an anesthesiologist from W. Africa Person 2713 Feb 2016 #81

Yeah because the border is just being overrun with doctors and anesthesiologists. ALago1 Feb 2016 #83

welcome to my ignore list 101 olddots Feb 2016 #41

I guess I touched a nerve? ALago1 Feb 2016 #42

No one has mentioned that gian sucking sound Jim Beard Feb 2016 #73

Back in your grandpa's day there were these things called UNIONS and Tariffs whathehell Feb 2016 #56

Yeah, wow. That's FASCINATING. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #109

Lol. Calm down, dear...what's "fascinating" is your inability to stay on point whathehell Feb 2016 #118

Cool story, bro. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #119

Um, no one said there was "no immigration" whathehell Feb 2016 #127

In grandpa's day, women and minorities were locked out of those jobs Recursion Feb 2016 #123

Immigrants fault, sigh randys1 Feb 2016 #26

Not an argument. ALago1 Feb 2016 #31

Somewhat shaky logic here: guillaumeb Feb 2016 #27

1) By virtue of the fact that they want to run to government, they aren't skilled. ALago1 Feb 2016 #32

Who has more power in the relationship, you or an employer? guillaumeb Feb 2016 #34

The power dynamic is always in flux over time. ALago1 Feb 2016 #38

Except for a short time from 1940-1980, the power dynamic guillaumeb Feb 2016 #39

No disagreement on the trade deals here. ALago1 Feb 2016 #43

I like you concept. You really should post one about just this topic. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #47

1) By virtue of the fact that they want to run to government, they aren't skilled. DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #55

If America does immigration well, why do 50% end up on welfare? ALago1 Feb 2016 #60

regarding the engineers DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #69

I am not opposed to Immigration but I am opposed to Jim Beard Feb 2016 #74

We should be helping with legitimate immigration, and immigration for the right reasons... cascadiance Feb 2016 #29

I'm with you on 1, 3 and 4. ALago1 Feb 2016 #33

Many have argued that the source of what lead to the Arab Spring was climate change... cascadiance Feb 2016 #36

Interesting. Although not sure how many immigrants we've been having from the middle east recently. ALago1 Feb 2016 #40

Yes, this is a real issue and it is a type of class warfare. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #44

Yes, that is why they want more migrants. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #75

They don't really want LEGAL migrants able to equally compete. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #120

"A living wage for all is my #1 issue." noamnety Feb 2016 #46

People who are not Americans. ALago1 Feb 2016 #48

And what do people deserve noamnety Feb 2016 #49

That's for them and the leaders of their country to decide. ALago1 Feb 2016 #54

I'm just trying to determine noamnety Feb 2016 #57

Its a right to all Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #126

Probably because xenophobia and nationalism are disgusting. Hoyt Feb 2016 #51

Care to address the points I discussed in my OP or just shame and name call? ALago1 Feb 2016 #65

You are not making any sense Kalidurga Feb 2016 #52

Why can't it both? ALago1 Feb 2016 #59

It can't be both because that is not how people behave. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #90

Anecdote is not the plural of data. ALago1 Feb 2016 #93

Yeah but I live in a community of immigrants so there is that. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #96

Things have changed - look at Europe. 840high Feb 2016 #105

Good point. 840high Feb 2016 #104

OTOH, the miltary is jam packed with guys doing jobs that almost anybody can do. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #53

So that's gonna be our pitch in 2016? ALago1 Feb 2016 #61

I don't know about "our pitch". It's my pitch. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #64

That will never happen. 840high Feb 2016 #106

I think you're on the wrong web site. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2016 #66

I'd be more apt to believe you if you actually had an argument. ALago1 Feb 2016 #68

Not worth it. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2016 #72

Why do you think that? Jim Beard Feb 2016 #80

Well, actually, given the state of today's Democratic Party, I shouldn't be surprised. Maedhros Feb 2016 #86

i dont understand how empathy has borders. if i care about whether an average american can eat La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2016 #76

Because feeding a non American can only be done through American worker resources ALago1 Feb 2016 #78

Yes. Our children, vets, elderly go homeless 840high Feb 2016 #107

I'm good with immigration. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #77

You're ok with inevitably supporting 50% of immigrants with your tax dollars? ALago1 Feb 2016 #79

Well considering you can't be talking about illegal immigrants giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #82

So basically, ALago1 Feb 2016 #84

They should have the same rights as everyone else that has managed to get here. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #88

So we he to force our citizens to take care of the rest of the world? ALago1 Feb 2016 #91

You act like ppl are just going to jump on welfare. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #95

The majority of them do ALago1 Feb 2016 #97

ah propgating racist lies DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #100

As a former Democratic Party Chairman and watching voter Jim Beard Feb 2016 #108

"The blacks"? mac56 Feb 2016 #111

latinos DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #116

It's not a big expenditure treestar Feb 2016 #101

Immigrants need to buy stuff too. jeff47 Feb 2016 #85

How are they going to buy stuff without jobs and if 50% are on welfare? ALago1 Feb 2016 #87

If they don't have jobs, then what's the point of your OP? jeff47 Feb 2016 #89

Because they end up on welfare and that means someone else is paying their way. ALago1 Feb 2016 #92

You should probably bother to find out the requirements for TANF before spouting things like that. jeff47 Feb 2016 #94

If you have a kid you get it no problem ALago1 Feb 2016 #98

That statue means nothing. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #110

That data shows that the issues is more complicated... Adrahil Feb 2016 #99

Why is it some, Mendocino Feb 2016 #103

We all come from immigrant stock, save the few of us who are native peoples. nt MADem Feb 2016 #112

Some of us are both Kalidurga Feb 2016 #113

Yes, but that "immigrant" piece still means you wouldn't exist were it not for MADem Feb 2016 #114

US population growth has not varied much since 1900. pampango Feb 2016 #124

Just so we're clear metalbot Feb 2016 #129