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ALago1

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92. Because they end up on welfare and that means someone else is paying their way.

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Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:38 PM

Feb 2016

Is that fair?

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I don't understand how one can be pro living wage and pro widespread immigration. [View all] ALago1 Feb 2016 OP

what is G_j Feb 2016 #1

More than one million people a year. ALago1 Feb 2016 #3

Actually, the flow has been reversed nichomachus Feb 2016 #13

Good, so you agree with my premise. ALago1 Feb 2016 #16

No. Only 10K employment-based immigrant visas are granted to "low skill" workers. leveymg Feb 2016 #28

Then why do 50% of immigrants end up on welfare? ALago1 Feb 2016 #30

50% seems too high. Anyway, "all immigrants" includes non-employment based categories leveymg Feb 2016 #45

Here is one article reviewing the study I reference ALago1 Feb 2016 #70

Half of all "immigrants" are NOT on welfare. Hortensis Feb 2016 #117

Please cite a source. ALago1 Feb 2016 #121

Alago, go google. There's a whole world of real information Hortensis Feb 2016 #122

You've got nothing. Understood. ALago1 Feb 2016 #125

If you watched MSNBC on Wednesday when Cokie Roberts was on she gave a perfect example of Jitter65 Feb 2016 #130

Given that the statistic is 50% are on welfare, that would certainly mean not all. ALago1 Feb 2016 #131

Are you sure? Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #18

I can't check right now, but I did read that somewhere too. Bradical79 Feb 2016 #23

Are you talking about legal immigration or illegal? nt thereismore Feb 2016 #2

Both, but let's talk legal since there are stats around that. ALago1 Feb 2016 #4

I would not quite put it that way treestar Feb 2016 #50

While it is true people who work can be on welfare ALago1 Feb 2016 #62

i think most people think of being "on welfare" as AFDC or its successor treestar Feb 2016 #63

That's probably true ALago1 Feb 2016 #67

Its definitely not money goint to help pay for new healthcare programs Jim Beard Feb 2016 #71

That is interesting. I worked in the welfare office part time jwirr Feb 2016 #128

Given that they were passing through Canada, I'm guessing your in the north part of the country. ALago1 Feb 2016 #132

You would be surprised. We see them all the time but not in jwirr Feb 2016 #133

I agree hfojvt Feb 2016 #5

Thank you. 840high Feb 2016 #102

Eastern Europe has the right approach LittleBlue Feb 2016 #115

Automation is going to kill off those jobs before long anyway. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #6

How are they are going to buy things if they don't have jobs? ALago1 Feb 2016 #7

Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs Jim__ Feb 2016 #8

There's a McDonald's in my neighborhood where you order and pay on large LED screens Yavin4 Feb 2016 #20

I think you've made the best possible argument for a minimum living wage.... mike_c Feb 2016 #9

+1 leftstreet Feb 2016 #10

Since low skilled labor is available anywhere in the world... ALago1 Feb 2016 #12

I'm running to the hospital right now... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #11

. Iggo Feb 2016 #14

Welcome to Economics 101. ALago1 Feb 2016 #15

Yes, welcome to Econ 101 Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #17

And how are people going to buy things if they are all competing for scarce jobs? ALago1 Feb 2016 #19

The truth is, your granddaddy's job has been replaced by robots Yavin4 Feb 2016 #21

I don't disagree in the slightest ALago1 Feb 2016 #22

The size of the labor pool is irrelevant. Everything is getting automated. Yavin4 Feb 2016 #24

Thus a great reason for limiting immigration of low skilled labor. ALago1 Feb 2016 #25

Wait your grandfather WAS an immigrant AND a low skill worker BUT now 2016, YOU don't want Person 2713 Feb 2016 #35

I'm just pointing out the fact there were enough jobs to assimilate immigrants then compared to now. ALago1 Feb 2016 #37

Yes, and for most of our history whathehell Feb 2016 #58

Now I am on a work break with a cardiologist from Turkey and an anesthesiologist from W. Africa Person 2713 Feb 2016 #81

Yeah because the border is just being overrun with doctors and anesthesiologists. ALago1 Feb 2016 #83

welcome to my ignore list 101 olddots Feb 2016 #41

I guess I touched a nerve? ALago1 Feb 2016 #42

No one has mentioned that gian sucking sound Jim Beard Feb 2016 #73

Back in your grandpa's day there were these things called UNIONS and Tariffs whathehell Feb 2016 #56

Yeah, wow. That's FASCINATING. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #109

Lol. Calm down, dear...what's "fascinating" is your inability to stay on point whathehell Feb 2016 #118

Cool story, bro. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #119

Um, no one said there was "no immigration" whathehell Feb 2016 #127

In grandpa's day, women and minorities were locked out of those jobs Recursion Feb 2016 #123

Immigrants fault, sigh randys1 Feb 2016 #26

Not an argument. ALago1 Feb 2016 #31

Somewhat shaky logic here: guillaumeb Feb 2016 #27

1) By virtue of the fact that they want to run to government, they aren't skilled. ALago1 Feb 2016 #32

Who has more power in the relationship, you or an employer? guillaumeb Feb 2016 #34

The power dynamic is always in flux over time. ALago1 Feb 2016 #38

Except for a short time from 1940-1980, the power dynamic guillaumeb Feb 2016 #39

No disagreement on the trade deals here. ALago1 Feb 2016 #43

I like you concept. You really should post one about just this topic. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #47

1) By virtue of the fact that they want to run to government, they aren't skilled. DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #55

If America does immigration well, why do 50% end up on welfare? ALago1 Feb 2016 #60

regarding the engineers DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #69

I am not opposed to Immigration but I am opposed to Jim Beard Feb 2016 #74

We should be helping with legitimate immigration, and immigration for the right reasons... cascadiance Feb 2016 #29

I'm with you on 1, 3 and 4. ALago1 Feb 2016 #33

Many have argued that the source of what lead to the Arab Spring was climate change... cascadiance Feb 2016 #36

Interesting. Although not sure how many immigrants we've been having from the middle east recently. ALago1 Feb 2016 #40

Yes, this is a real issue and it is a type of class warfare. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #44

Yes, that is why they want more migrants. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #75

They don't really want LEGAL migrants able to equally compete. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #120

"A living wage for all is my #1 issue." noamnety Feb 2016 #46

People who are not Americans. ALago1 Feb 2016 #48

And what do people deserve noamnety Feb 2016 #49

That's for them and the leaders of their country to decide. ALago1 Feb 2016 #54

I'm just trying to determine noamnety Feb 2016 #57

Its a right to all Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #126

Probably because xenophobia and nationalism are disgusting. Hoyt Feb 2016 #51

Care to address the points I discussed in my OP or just shame and name call? ALago1 Feb 2016 #65

You are not making any sense Kalidurga Feb 2016 #52

Why can't it both? ALago1 Feb 2016 #59

It can't be both because that is not how people behave. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #90

Anecdote is not the plural of data. ALago1 Feb 2016 #93

Yeah but I live in a community of immigrants so there is that. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #96

Things have changed - look at Europe. 840high Feb 2016 #105

Good point. 840high Feb 2016 #104

OTOH, the miltary is jam packed with guys doing jobs that almost anybody can do. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #53

So that's gonna be our pitch in 2016? ALago1 Feb 2016 #61

I don't know about "our pitch". It's my pitch. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #64

That will never happen. 840high Feb 2016 #106

I think you're on the wrong web site. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2016 #66

I'd be more apt to believe you if you actually had an argument. ALago1 Feb 2016 #68

Not worth it. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2016 #72

Why do you think that? Jim Beard Feb 2016 #80

Well, actually, given the state of today's Democratic Party, I shouldn't be surprised. Maedhros Feb 2016 #86

i dont understand how empathy has borders. if i care about whether an average american can eat La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2016 #76

Because feeding a non American can only be done through American worker resources ALago1 Feb 2016 #78

Yes. Our children, vets, elderly go homeless 840high Feb 2016 #107

I'm good with immigration. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #77

You're ok with inevitably supporting 50% of immigrants with your tax dollars? ALago1 Feb 2016 #79

Well considering you can't be talking about illegal immigrants giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #82

So basically, ALago1 Feb 2016 #84

They should have the same rights as everyone else that has managed to get here. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #88

So we he to force our citizens to take care of the rest of the world? ALago1 Feb 2016 #91

You act like ppl are just going to jump on welfare. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #95

The majority of them do ALago1 Feb 2016 #97

ah propgating racist lies DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #100

As a former Democratic Party Chairman and watching voter Jim Beard Feb 2016 #108

"The blacks"? mac56 Feb 2016 #111

latinos DonCoquixote Feb 2016 #116

It's not a big expenditure treestar Feb 2016 #101

Immigrants need to buy stuff too. jeff47 Feb 2016 #85

How are they going to buy stuff without jobs and if 50% are on welfare? ALago1 Feb 2016 #87

If they don't have jobs, then what's the point of your OP? jeff47 Feb 2016 #89

Because they end up on welfare and that means someone else is paying their way. ALago1 Feb 2016 #92

You should probably bother to find out the requirements for TANF before spouting things like that. jeff47 Feb 2016 #94

If you have a kid you get it no problem ALago1 Feb 2016 #98

That statue means nothing. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #110

That data shows that the issues is more complicated... Adrahil Feb 2016 #99

Why is it some, Mendocino Feb 2016 #103

We all come from immigrant stock, save the few of us who are native peoples. nt MADem Feb 2016 #112

Some of us are both Kalidurga Feb 2016 #113

Yes, but that "immigrant" piece still means you wouldn't exist were it not for MADem Feb 2016 #114

US population growth has not varied much since 1900. pampango Feb 2016 #124

Just so we're clear metalbot Feb 2016 #129