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Cassiopeia

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132. I don't feel inevitable despair or desperation.

Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:30 PM

Feb 2016

I'm feel positive that Bernie can win this primary and go on to beat any of the Republicans running.

However, I am a FL resident and have been politically active for decades. It really will just take a few states to put the Republicans over the top in the GE and Hillary would have a real struggle to win the few that matter the most.

People have been talking about how big SC is in the primary and how the residents of that state will vote. I guess it can show us some info, but in the GE South Carolina is a lost state, period. Neither Hillary or Bernie will take it. Those are flat out conceded delegates in the GE.

It would be wise for the super delegates to make their choices based strongly on swing states and how they fall in the primary. If Hillary can't take those in the primary, she won't in the GE either. Without the swing states we lose.

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Okay. So what if it's Hillary against Trump? What happens? [View all] Kablooie Feb 2016 OP

No doubt in my mind that Hillary will win. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #1

The polls say she'd be trounced by Trump. Marr Feb 2016 #116

Agree Victor_c3 Feb 2016 #122

Lol, I thought Bernie supporters didn't believe in polls? cwydro Feb 2016 #136

I've never denied polling data, to my recollection. Marr Feb 2016 #139

She convincingly makes him look like an egotistical dunce. Problem is, a lot of people are Hoyt Feb 2016 #2

Hillary can destroy his candidacy with one question jmowreader Feb 2016 #3

actually, that could strengthen his candidacy 6chars Feb 2016 #6

Problem is, he can't achieve any of it jmowreader Feb 2016 #24

He's hollow suited. He can't achieve all of these lofty things he says to get the idiot factor RKP5637 Feb 2016 #54

In other words, Gordon Gekko with worse hair jmowreader Feb 2016 #83

Donald Trump, the Carrier CEO of politics LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2016 #85

Yep, exactly! So damn sad about Carrier! That was a proud name for years and years, now fucking over RKP5637 Feb 2016 #87

'If we are going to nominate someone who 50% of our people can't stand, elleng Feb 2016 #4

She may very well lose, and it won't be because Bernie supporters didn't fall in line. TDale313 Feb 2016 #5

Yep, I will vote for whomever the democratic nominee is, but that might not be enough. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #66

GOTV will be more important than ever - n/t RussBLib Feb 2016 #95

K&R!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #104

Trump is the devil they don't know who says everything he'll do will be great. DJ13 Feb 2016 #7

Yep, I've told people it's like American Idol, and Trump is the winning star. Many see Hillary RKP5637 Feb 2016 #64

A lot of angry people out there...very fluid if you ask me davidn3600 Feb 2016 #8

You are probably right. And Hillary is an icon establishment status quo candidate. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #56

That's a lot of what is going on. People are fed up and saying fuck it, something far different and RKP5637 Feb 2016 #59

Radical change.... Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2016 #128

Most of the presidential hopefuls are an embarrassment to watch debate, a complete lack of maturity RKP5637 Feb 2016 #129

I agree. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2016 #130

Republicans registered at an alarming rate in Nevada ripcord Feb 2016 #108

In the general election with 2 candidates, the party loyalists are irrelevant.... pipoman Feb 2016 #9

And motivating your base.... daleanime Feb 2016 #14

Clinton Is Beating Sanders by 9-10 Points and Beat Trump in 18 of Last 20 Polls Stallion Feb 2016 #17

Polls are a complete waste of time as has been demonstrated over and over.. pipoman Feb 2016 #19

Elections are sometimes like the stock market IMO. Sometimes unpredictable and often irrational. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #69

She'll have to tread carefully, he'll have a field day attacking her flamingdem Feb 2016 #10

Disagree on the tread lightly leftynyc Feb 2016 #32

They've attacked him plenty. And the pundits have laid it on him. Calista241 Feb 2016 #57

What exactly is the crime leftynyc Feb 2016 #74

There are plenty of people in jail for mishandling classified information Calista241 Feb 2016 #77

There really are NOT. Usually a genuine crime Hortensis Feb 2016 #97

Trump draws at best HALF the voters who Hortensis Feb 2016 #93

Haha well done flamingdem Feb 2016 #107

Why did tuna pop into my head. Gross no matter what. Hortensis Feb 2016 #111

You're right, I think Hillary is the right person and we saw her survive Benghazi flamingdem Feb 2016 #103

It only takes a few close states for Trump to win. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #11

If I thought like you I'd be feeling so sick. I don't know how you Hortensis Feb 2016 #101

I don't feel inevitable despair or desperation. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #132

I was in an irritable mood when I read your Hortensis Feb 2016 #134

Wow, talk about despair... Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #137

Voter irregularity states too, yikes nt flamingdem Feb 2016 #109

Bush "won" FL by a little over 500 votes. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #115

Trump's negatives are higher than Hillary's and everybody knows both of them quite well world wide wally Feb 2016 #12

Hillary's opportunity: hit Trump's over-the-top blurbs Albertoo Feb 2016 #13

The most absurd General Election in History angrychair Feb 2016 #15

Nonsense. Hillary is a fine, competent candidate. Hortensis Feb 2016 #105

What happens is we get our asses out there and vote for HIllary... TreasonousBastard Feb 2016 #16

And third party for the GOP could be a big option, xmas74 Feb 2016 #43

No, Bernie and Donald far left and right. Hillary is too strong and a MODERATE liberal. Hortensis Feb 2016 #110

I have heard a few people discuss Bloomberg IRL, xmas74 Feb 2016 #124

Interesting observations, xmas. Sound like the kind of Hortensis Feb 2016 #126

No one is talking about the fiscal conservatives. xmas74 Feb 2016 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author applegrove Feb 2016 #18

Trump hits Hillary with all the stuff Bernie is too concerned for the future to bring up... Fumesucker Feb 2016 #20

Hillary will eviscerate him in debates, he will stump on how untrustworthy she is 0rganism Feb 2016 #21

What if Trump won't debate? CanonRay Feb 2016 #42

that's a setback for HRC, but not a serious one and it can be reversed 0rganism Feb 2016 #91

I can't imagine any Democrat voting for Trump, Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #22

If you spend any time on sites other than DU EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #28

You could be right. Blue_In_AK Feb 2016 #30

It's a bit more complex than that EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #31

You didn't mention that donald leftynyc Feb 2016 #34

This is where you're mistaken EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #36

I think it's amazing leftynyc Feb 2016 #38

look at the data EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #40

He's been called a socialist leftynyc Feb 2016 #45

Edward either can't or won't learn how wrong he is. Hortensis Feb 2016 #117

Same old crap Andy823 Feb 2016 #96

let me list all of the legit counter arguements you made EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #99

I like this point Andy823 Feb 2016 #118

in fact EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #120

I can imagine people staying home in droves JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #88

In my state we vote from home... Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #102

You should ask what will independents do? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #23

Hillary loses... Ford F-150 Feb 2016 #25

Hillary will get crushed EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #26

I don't think Trump has the stamina or health to even make it through the republican primary, Sunlei Feb 2016 #27

Trump wins and the dnc thinks they need to move to right more. We can say we told you so. Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #29

Oddly correct. GoneFishin Feb 2016 #55

Likely what could happen with the consistently flawed thinking and logic of the DNC and DWS. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #71

Assuming that she is successful Fairgo Feb 2016 #33

what happens ? olddots Feb 2016 #35

I would happily vote for a ham sandwich or a potted ficus quaker bill Feb 2016 #37

Beating Trump is simple quaker bill Feb 2016 #39

I voted for a republican co-worker for county road com. Like Trump B Calm Feb 2016 #41

Hillary loses. This is the year of the outsider. Vinca Feb 2016 #44

Turnout. The Dems aren't turning out for the primaries but the Rs are WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #46

She would win... the Latino vote would decimate Trump Blasphemer Feb 2016 #47

In such a scenario, i suspect the "more entertaining" candidate will win. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #48

Sec Clinton will win easily, by as big, if not bigger, margin than Pres. Obama in '12 ... LannyDeVaney Feb 2016 #49

She loses... CanSocDem Feb 2016 #50

Trump wins. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #51

Trump wins. That's what. notadmblnd Feb 2016 #52

Hillary can't win a GE. People who think the status quo is ok should decide if they like it enough GoneFishin Feb 2016 #53

That's what I think, that millions of people want radical change whatever that might bring, RKP5637 Feb 2016 #73

I do not like hillary, but hate the GOP, so will vote against them. Nt Logical Feb 2016 #58

I'm not going to make it until the GE......I'm sick, sick that this bozo IS EVEN in the conversation a kennedy Feb 2016 #60

I hear you DesertRat Feb 2016 #63

It doesn't look like anyone will beat Trump doc03 Feb 2016 #61

That's my fear too. He is brash and egotistical. A win might well feed this side of him to the RKP5637 Feb 2016 #65

If that nut gets elected he may burn down doc03 Feb 2016 #70

Hillary will win DesertRat Feb 2016 #62

First, David Brock (who some people here detest)... brooklynite Feb 2016 #67

Hillary wins unless she "slips on a banana peel" underpants Feb 2016 #68

My fear is that Dems stay home but Reps don't. Kablooie Feb 2016 #72

Most recent polling has Trump beating her, tho he still isn't marketing to a November audience Bucky Feb 2016 #75

Hopefully she wins. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2016 #76

One of the reasons I think people might vote for Hillary is that she wiggs Feb 2016 #78

Lots of Problems If That's the Match-up, IMO SDJay Feb 2016 #79

Democratic landslide. DavidDvorkin Feb 2016 #80

Bad things happen. jeff47 Feb 2016 #81

If those who are supporting BS don't vote or vote for Trump then their one of 2 things liberal N proud Feb 2016 #82

Spot on. Elmergantry Feb 2016 #84

After 8 years of a democratic White House, the repubs will be out in droves to vote this year. CrispyQ Feb 2016 #86

The country goes down the tubes. jwirr Feb 2016 #89

I'm afraid we are already draining down those tubes with or without Trump. Kablooie Feb 2016 #90

We GOTV. nt TeamPooka Feb 2016 #92

I leave the country, go live on a beach somewhere south of the border, Zorra Feb 2016 #94

Current polling data suggests HRC will beat Trump justiceischeap Feb 2016 #98

What happens? President Trump, that's what happens. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #100

IMHO - A Vote For HRC In The Primary Is A Vote For Trump In The General Election cantbeserious Feb 2016 #106

Either way we probably die dr60omg Feb 2016 #112

It'll be "Groundhog Day" yet again chapdrum Feb 2016 #113

two billionaires squaring off & accusing each other of bad deals wordpix Feb 2016 #114

Trump wins... TheProgressive Feb 2016 #119

People get used to saying "Madame President"? 11 Bravo Feb 2016 #121

Now why would they call Trump, Madame President? Kablooie Feb 2016 #133

I think she'll loose. easttexaslefty Feb 2016 #123

Trump will win if that's the case. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #125

It's a disaster either way. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #127

I don't know. But, I think it's safe to say that a lot of people are fed up with Politics-as-usual. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #131

Trump goes after the "independent" vote.... kentuck Feb 2016 #135

Say hello to President tRump madokie Feb 2016 #138

I think Current Affairs got this one right... Chan790 Feb 2016 #140