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Jim Beard

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44. There has been an evolution in organic certification.

Fri Feb 26, 2016, 02:02 PM

Feb 2016

What you are referring to was the way it was done in the early days. There were actually some private certification organizations that allowed a small amount of insecticides. Texas passed a strict set of laws in around 1998 and the Federal Government passed uniform organic laws and all growers in all states MUST go by those laws if they want their crop Organic Certified. You CANNOT label anything organically grown in the US if it has not registered and has past inspections of the state agricultural departments. Yes, the states enforce Federal Law.

Texas does as all others, but not very good because they do not do the necessary inspections as needed. They are just stretched too thin.

Remember the West, Texas fertilizer explosion. Prime example of Texas law enforcement. Cut the funding until it can no longer do an adequate job.

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Good thing I quit drinking 7 years ago. Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #1

I drink occasionally, but not beer or liquor, so I've got it covered. closeupready Feb 2016 #10

Glyphosate is not a pesticide. ag_dude Feb 2016 #2

Well it is the active ingredient of herbicides and herbicides are pesticides. yellowcanine Feb 2016 #3

No its not ag_dude Feb 2016 #7

It is an herbicide, and an organophosphorus compound. Zorra Feb 2016 #8

I know very well what it is. ag_dude Feb 2016 #9

Yes. You are correct tkmorris Feb 2016 #11

I went great lengths? ag_dude Feb 2016 #13

ag-dude is not correct. Even the manufacturer calls it a pesticide Major Nikon Feb 2016 #14

MS in environmental engineering, ag focus. ag_dude Feb 2016 #16

Being laughed at by those who are ignorant isn't much of an insult Major Nikon Feb 2016 #18

I chellenge you to go to any feed store.... ag_dude Feb 2016 #19

Glyphosate is and should be called herbicide Major Nikon Feb 2016 #22

"its obvious you have no degree in agriculture anyway" ag_dude Feb 2016 #40

Texas A&M. Well that explains it right there. LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #68

Gov Rick "Goodhair" Perry's alma mater Major Nikon Feb 2016 #69

National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences not good enough for you? Denzil_DC Feb 2016 #79

LOL! tabasco Feb 2016 #64

"I know very well what it is' brentspeak Feb 2016 #26

Truthfully? Because I was on my phone at a long red light. ag_dude Feb 2016 #42

So what? It still causes cancer. I would hate to think you are just thread-jacking in order djean111 Feb 2016 #76

It is a Toxin. Duppers Feb 2016 #78

Roundup is a specific type of pesticide Major Nikon Feb 2016 #12

Bull shit. ag_dude Feb 2016 #15

Sure, it's much better to be informed by someone claiming degrees anonymously on the internet Major Nikon Feb 2016 #17

are you thinking of "insecticide" GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #20

I know what he's trying to say. ag_dude Feb 2016 #21

so "pesticide" when written on the tanks only means "insecticide"? GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #23

The terms used in actual agriculture are pesticide and herbicide. ag_dude Feb 2016 #46

You were wrong, get over it Major Nikon Feb 2016 #66

Marking a sprayer "pesticide" would be a blatant OSHA violation, ag-dude Major Nikon Feb 2016 #28

Again, no, it wouldn't ag_dude Feb 2016 #38

Well this is certainly one of the more childish things I've seen today tkmorris Feb 2016 #60

Thank you. ag_dude Feb 2016 #63

Yeah, that's it Major Nikon Feb 2016 #65

I farm too and roundup is not normally called a pesticide. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #31

It is correct Major Nikon Feb 2016 #36

It's not just him, it's the entire industry ag_dude Feb 2016 #43

All herbicides are pesticides Major Nikon Feb 2016 #45

I'll bite, what IS your background with herbicides and pesticides? ag_dude Feb 2016 #47

I'm not big on claiming expertise anonymously Major Nikon Feb 2016 #55

Yeah, sure, whatever you say anonymous internet poster. ag_dude Feb 2016 #56

And yet the facts support my assertion and betray yours Major Nikon Feb 2016 #58

Yeah, sure, its obvious I have no degree in agriculture anyway ag_dude Feb 2016 #59

Sure, because that makes glyphosate not a pesticide Major Nikon Feb 2016 #61

I sat through 5 hours of continueing ag classes and they also use the umbrella phrase "pesticide". Jim Beard Feb 2016 #50

Who taught your course and referred to glyphosate as a pesticide? ag_dude Feb 2016 #51

Perhaps it was somebody who is familiar with very basic scientific terminology? Denzil_DC Feb 2016 #83

I work with farmers every day and do pesticide applicator training. yellowcanine Feb 2016 #62

Arguing semantics is foolish - pesticide or herbicide, some people don't want to consume it. hedgehog Feb 2016 #24

Ah, Monsanto. The gift that keeps on killing. marmar Feb 2016 #4

Actually the glyphosate patent has long run out so there are other companies yellowcanine Feb 2016 #6

This has nothing to do with GMOs. Beer is made from barley or wheat. yellowcanine Feb 2016 #5

There is GMO wheat but none is approved for use. GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #29

Hard to see how glyphosate would get on hops - or in potable water. yellowcanine Feb 2016 #54

In water run off. Glyphosate shows up in water all over the place. GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #57

Another reason to drink German beer instead of water Major Nikon Feb 2016 #70

Thats why I was wondering why the header showed corn Jim Beard Feb 2016 #33

Corn can be used for beer but it is usually not done commercially. yellowcanine Feb 2016 #48

Augustiner is Republican Stepdad's favorite. KamaAina Feb 2016 #25

I can't say that glyphosate caused my (relatively rare) cancer, hedgehog Feb 2016 #27

According to WHO, beer is a class 1 carcinogen Peregrine Feb 2016 #30

Monsanto doesn't make beer Major Nikon Feb 2016 #67

This "story" is classic overhype bullshit. Archae Feb 2016 #32

I don't think they are using more but they are definitely using too much. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #35

Who is using too much? Archae Feb 2016 #39

In some cases they are definitely using more Major Nikon Feb 2016 #41

I have been involved in organics Jim Beard Feb 2016 #34

I'm surprised there are that many Major Nikon Feb 2016 #37

There has been an evolution in organic certification. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #44

Actually the evolution was the reverse Major Nikon Feb 2016 #49

Yes it is the word that is used and is the one that has been accepted. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #53

The drinking water standard for glyphosate is 3 times that level. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #52

Yurpeens might not agree with our drinking water standards. tabasco Feb 2016 #74

Maybe. The could establish their own, they could use WHO's levels, or... Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #75

Disgusting Chemical Pollution, Inc. AxionExcel Feb 2016 #71

I'll believe it when I see the owners of these companies drink a liter of contaminated water Taitertots Feb 2016 #72

I don't even remotely give a shit. Throd Feb 2016 #73

Have it your way - AxionExcel Feb 2016 #77

Wow, that guy happens to look a lot like me! Throd Feb 2016 #81

It's in the birth canal, and in the gut AxionExcel Feb 2016 #80

I'm not seeing the GMO connection Bradical79 Feb 2016 #82