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friendly_iconoclast

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77. "The proliferation of guns in everyday settings simply insures that will happen more often."

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 07:15 PM

Feb 2016

Actually, per the FBI, violent crime and murder rates have dropped in recent years, even as the
number of guns in the US has incresed markedly:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

The Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program has been the starting place for law enforcement executives, students of criminal justice, researchers, members of the media, and the public at large seeking information on crime in the nation. The program was conceived in 1929 by the International Association of Chiefs of Police to meet the need for reliable uniform crime statistics for the nation. In 1930, the FBI was tasked with collecting, publishing, and archiving those statistics.

Today, four annual publications, Crime in the United States, National Incident-Based Reporting System, Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted, and Hate Crime Statistics are produced from data received from over 18,000 city, university/college, county, state, tribal, and federal law enforcement agencies voluntarily participating in the program. The crime data are submitted either through a state UCR Program or directly to the FBI’s UCR Program.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr-publications

Crime in the United States

An annual publication in which the FBI compiles the volume and rate of violent and property crime offenses for the nation and by state. Individual law enforcement agency data are also provided for those contributors supplying 12 months complete offense data. This report also includes arrest, clearance, and law enforcement employee data. Use the new online UCR Data Tool to research crime statistics for the nation, by state, and by individual law enforcement agency.

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University of Houston Faculty Suggest Professors 'Not Go There' Because of Campus Carry Law [View all] struggle4progress Feb 2016 OP

FACULTY SENATE RESOLUTION IN OPPOSITION TO FIREARMS ON CAMPUS struggle4progress Feb 2016 #1

Anyone that delicate probably shouldn't teach... TipTok Feb 2016 #2

Please explain. Fairgo Feb 2016 #3

This hasn't been a problem with the other colleges that allow for CC, GGJohn Feb 2016 #4

What do gun fanciers like you consider a "problem?" Hoyt Feb 2016 #38

Any disruption. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #114

Disruption? Like a non-white person on campus? After all, that's why red states have Hoyt Feb 2016 #119

You really are going off the rails lately, GGJohn Feb 2016 #120

Your gun posts used to be good for comic relief. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #121

Most gun fanciers are white folks afraid of other ethnicities. Go to any gun shw, store Hoyt Feb 2016 #123

I am happy to say that your experiences are not mine. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #125

Next time you are at one of those places, shoot some photos to show the diversity. Hoyt Feb 2016 #128

Thank You - nt Piasladic Feb 2016 #132

Why do you constantly tell lies about firearms owners? GGJohn Feb 2016 #126

Like you'd know. beevul Feb 2016 #129

firearm owner demographics melm00se Feb 2016 #131

Forget bordering... TipTok Feb 2016 #127

You have no idea what you're talking about. None. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #52

Umm, yeah, I do know what I'm talking about, GGJohn Feb 2016 #71

Yet. procon Feb 2016 #67

At DU, we've been waiting at *least* five years for one of your posited tragedies to happen friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #69

Are you using CC to separate all the other mass shootings on college campuses? procon Feb 2016 #83

Then why hasn't this been a problem at other colleges that allow for CC? GGJohn Feb 2016 #87

Have you looked at the statistical data? procon Feb 2016 #103

Hasn't been a shooting yet? GGJohn Feb 2016 #106

Human beings, being far from perfect, make it more a question of when, not if. procon Feb 2016 #108

But again, we keep coming back to if that were true of CHL holders, GGJohn Feb 2016 #109

No, and no. procon Feb 2016 #117

Were you perchance a student at the College of It Stands To Reason? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #138

Well, *not* allowing CCW didn't stop those, so you can't claim additional harm... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #94

Then why hasn't this been a problem at other colleges that allow for CC? GGJohn Feb 2016 #72

DU moral-panic mongers have been studiously avoiding that question for years... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #81

Following the exchanges in this thread... beevul Feb 2016 #130

Moral panics, the philosophy of Robert Bork, Colonism... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #135

This scscholar Feb 2016 #80

I'll ask again, GGJohn Feb 2016 #82

That's a ridiculous argument. procon Feb 2016 #86

I ask again, GGJohn Feb 2016 #88

Isn't it the state that opened schools to loaded weapons? procon Feb 2016 #104

Feh-mere Colonism: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #84

You're just asking for the death count odds, yeah? procon Feb 2016 #101

... GGJohn Feb 2016 #107

Said the guy brandishing the angry cobra. procon Feb 2016 #111

What threat? GGJohn Feb 2016 #113

Where's the part in the Constitution... TipTok Feb 2016 #110

"The right to not be scared" is as ficticious as "moral harm" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #136

Your last sentence is merely a reworded version of Robert Bork's "moral harm": friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #134

Anyone so afraid they need to take precious everywhere should stay at home Major Nikon Feb 2016 #5

+1 Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #53

So you�re saying that a teacher at the University.. busterbrown Feb 2016 #6

I certainly wouldn't have a problem with that, GGJohn Feb 2016 #8

Yea, and with a little alcohol on their breath. busterbrown Feb 2016 #11

Rarely? Yea fucking right. busterbrown Feb 2016 #12

You cite stats from VPC? GGJohn Feb 2016 #15

Not only VPC sarisataka Feb 2016 #16

Let me guess, GGJohn Feb 2016 #18

Yup sarisataka Feb 2016 #19

and you get your statistics..... where? busterbrown Feb 2016 #20

Guns in pants? GGJohn Feb 2016 #23

I see you are no longer claiming they come from the CDC Major Nikon Feb 2016 #27

I do claim that the CDC does publish the stats and it has something for everyone. GGJohn Feb 2016 #30

Nice dodge. "according to the CDC" Major Nikon Feb 2016 #37

He said creme-de-la-dum Wayne LaPierre's numbers were from the CDC Major Nikon Feb 2016 #26

Allow me to throw some cold water on your moral panic-mongering with some statistics friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #74

How then do you account for the 34 mass shooting in 58 days of this year then? brush Feb 2016 #62

I ask again, GGJohn Feb 2016 #70

Odds are yes. brush Feb 2016 #116

Your opinion, mine's different. eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #118

The end of discourse: Fairgo Feb 2016 #10

Why would that be a problem? TipTok Feb 2016 #46

I guess Tip Tok.. busterbrown Feb 2016 #7

If they're legally carrying concealed, how the hell would you know? eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #9

Mouth breathing and confederate flags are a pretty good indicator Major Nikon Feb 2016 #29

So you're saying that CC holders are racists? GGJohn Feb 2016 #32

No, you don't have to be a mouth breathing racist to be a CC holder Major Nikon Feb 2016 #34

Mist likely. Hoyt Feb 2016 #40

Question... TipTok Feb 2016 #47

What classroom experience do you have? struggle4progress Feb 2016 #43

+1 Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #54

You don't teach. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #51

One does not nees to have done a specific job... TipTok Feb 2016 #75

Sure, I can forge an opinion on the color of God's eyes or the exact gene coding of dinosaurs... Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #85

You talk a lot... TipTok Feb 2016 #89

You couldn't care less about facts -- you stated that already. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #91

I have nothing but respect for teachers... TipTok Feb 2016 #98

LOL. GGJohn Feb 2016 #93

Still wondering sarisataka Feb 2016 #13

At Universities like what is being discussed in the OP? My guess is pretty low. stevenleser Feb 2016 #17

I would be interested in establishing sarisataka Feb 2016 #21

it is not the actual rate that matters Helen Borg Feb 2016 #44

Campus Safety and Security Data Analysis Cutting Tool struggle4progress Feb 2016 #45

Thank you sarisataka Feb 2016 #50

That is totally irrelevant. TOTALLY. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #55

Absolutely relevant sarisataka Feb 2016 #61

Yeah. Good for you. Way to carry the water. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #63

??? sarisataka Feb 2016 #65

Wait, so some rights ARE absolute? beevul Feb 2016 #100

And if it's legal at their college, GGJohn Feb 2016 #112

Most of this is just fear mongering. I have no fear of my teaching inciting a shooting. aikoaiko Feb 2016 #14

Inciting is not the problem.. busterbrown Feb 2016 #22

And this has what to do with those that legally CC? eom GGJohn Feb 2016 #24

Because many of them are fucking nuts! busterbrown Feb 2016 #25

CC holders are statiscally much more law abiding that your average citizen, GGJohn Feb 2016 #28

Link Please...N/t busterbrown Feb 2016 #31

Which is a worthless fact often quoted by Wayne LaPierre's bots Major Nikon Feb 2016 #33

"The proliferation of guns in everyday settings simply insures that will happen more often." friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #77

If dichotomous thinking were of much value, you might have something Major Nikon Feb 2016 #90

There is also a decline in aggravated assault rates (which applies to nonfatal gun shot wounds) friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #95

There's also a decline in non-violent crime Major Nikon Feb 2016 #102

You have given no reasons aside from "I don't like guns" and a healthy serving of Colonism: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #137

But not more Law-abiding than those who qualify for a permit, but refuse to be be a gun toter. Hoyt Feb 2016 #42

That doesn't even make any sense. GGJohn Feb 2016 #79

Sure it does, there are sseveral hundred million people who could quality for a toting permit, Hoyt Feb 2016 #96

Of course you'd think that- you subscribe to Robert Bork's theory of "moral harm" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #97

You are correct, there are many victims from you gun love and support of lax gun laws. Hoyt Feb 2016 #99

It wasn't *my* claim, it was Robert Bork's- and yours, as well friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #133

Are you one of those folks... TipTok Feb 2016 #48

Please.. busterbrown Feb 2016 #41

Im not worried about that oncampus or off. aikoaiko Feb 2016 #36

If you don't see it a problem, then let those who spend every working day make the choice. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #56

Faculty don't get to decide which state laws apply to public campuses aikoaiko Feb 2016 #68

Well, that really stinks. merrily Feb 2016 #35

This doesn't surprise me at all. When I first heard about the new law all I could say is napi21 Feb 2016 #39

You can check already... TipTok Feb 2016 #49

Exactly. It's not like shootings on college campuses don't exist. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #58

Really? GGJohn Feb 2016 #73

Are visitors to the Texas legislature allowed to carry? In the state courthouses? Divernan Feb 2016 #57

Everybody's now arguing whether guns can be banned from courthouses under current law struggle4progress Feb 2016 #64

Give all students a minimum "B" grade & raise it to A if threatened. Divernan Feb 2016 #59

powerpoint hyperbole... ileus Feb 2016 #60

Hey, Republicans like 'em ignorant Warpy Feb 2016 #66

Wonder if UT Austin will do the same. longship Feb 2016 #76

Lots of moral panicking on this thread, almost none of it borne out by statistics friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #78

Public Universities will conform malaise Feb 2016 #92

I can see RWing gun owners all in a tizzy over this! Rex Feb 2016 #105

Campus carry is not about the students. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #115

There are a lot of students over 21. greymattermom Feb 2016 #122

Yes, there are students over 21. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #124