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133. It wasn't *my* claim, it was Robert Bork's- and yours, as well

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University of Houston Faculty Suggest Professors 'Not Go There' Because of Campus Carry Law [View all] struggle4progress Feb 2016 OP

FACULTY SENATE RESOLUTION IN OPPOSITION TO FIREARMS ON CAMPUS struggle4progress Feb 2016 #1

Anyone that delicate probably shouldn't teach... TipTok Feb 2016 #2

Please explain. Fairgo Feb 2016 #3

This hasn't been a problem with the other colleges that allow for CC, GGJohn Feb 2016 #4

What do gun fanciers like you consider a "problem?" Hoyt Feb 2016 #38

Any disruption. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #114

Disruption? Like a non-white person on campus? After all, that's why red states have Hoyt Feb 2016 #119

You really are going off the rails lately, GGJohn Feb 2016 #120

Your gun posts used to be good for comic relief. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #121

Most gun fanciers are white folks afraid of other ethnicities. Go to any gun shw, store Hoyt Feb 2016 #123

I am happy to say that your experiences are not mine. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #125

Next time you are at one of those places, shoot some photos to show the diversity. Hoyt Feb 2016 #128

Thank You - nt Piasladic Feb 2016 #132

Why do you constantly tell lies about firearms owners? GGJohn Feb 2016 #126

Like you'd know. beevul Feb 2016 #129

firearm owner demographics melm00se Feb 2016 #131

Forget bordering... TipTok Feb 2016 #127

You have no idea what you're talking about. None. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #52

Umm, yeah, I do know what I'm talking about, GGJohn Feb 2016 #71

Yet. procon Feb 2016 #67

At DU, we've been waiting at *least* five years for one of your posited tragedies to happen friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #69

Are you using CC to separate all the other mass shootings on college campuses? procon Feb 2016 #83

Then why hasn't this been a problem at other colleges that allow for CC? GGJohn Feb 2016 #87

Have you looked at the statistical data? procon Feb 2016 #103

Hasn't been a shooting yet? GGJohn Feb 2016 #106

Human beings, being far from perfect, make it more a question of when, not if. procon Feb 2016 #108

But again, we keep coming back to if that were true of CHL holders, GGJohn Feb 2016 #109

No, and no. procon Feb 2016 #117

Were you perchance a student at the College of It Stands To Reason? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #138

Well, *not* allowing CCW didn't stop those, so you can't claim additional harm... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #94

Then why hasn't this been a problem at other colleges that allow for CC? GGJohn Feb 2016 #72

DU moral-panic mongers have been studiously avoiding that question for years... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #81

Following the exchanges in this thread... beevul Feb 2016 #130

Moral panics, the philosophy of Robert Bork, Colonism... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #135

This scscholar Feb 2016 #80

I'll ask again, GGJohn Feb 2016 #82

That's a ridiculous argument. procon Feb 2016 #86

I ask again, GGJohn Feb 2016 #88

Isn't it the state that opened schools to loaded weapons? procon Feb 2016 #104

Feh-mere Colonism: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #84

You're just asking for the death count odds, yeah? procon Feb 2016 #101

... GGJohn Feb 2016 #107

Said the guy brandishing the angry cobra. procon Feb 2016 #111

What threat? GGJohn Feb 2016 #113

Where's the part in the Constitution... TipTok Feb 2016 #110

"The right to not be scared" is as ficticious as "moral harm" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #136

Your last sentence is merely a reworded version of Robert Bork's "moral harm": friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #134

Anyone so afraid they need to take precious everywhere should stay at home Major Nikon Feb 2016 #5

+1 Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #53

So you�re saying that a teacher at the University.. busterbrown Feb 2016 #6

I certainly wouldn't have a problem with that, GGJohn Feb 2016 #8

Yea, and with a little alcohol on their breath. busterbrown Feb 2016 #11

Rarely? Yea fucking right. busterbrown Feb 2016 #12

You cite stats from VPC? GGJohn Feb 2016 #15

Not only VPC sarisataka Feb 2016 #16

Let me guess, GGJohn Feb 2016 #18

Yup sarisataka Feb 2016 #19

and you get your statistics..... where? busterbrown Feb 2016 #20

Guns in pants? GGJohn Feb 2016 #23

I see you are no longer claiming they come from the CDC Major Nikon Feb 2016 #27

I do claim that the CDC does publish the stats and it has something for everyone. GGJohn Feb 2016 #30

Nice dodge. "according to the CDC" Major Nikon Feb 2016 #37

He said creme-de-la-dum Wayne LaPierre's numbers were from the CDC Major Nikon Feb 2016 #26

Allow me to throw some cold water on your moral panic-mongering with some statistics friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #74

How then do you account for the 34 mass shooting in 58 days of this year then? brush Feb 2016 #62

I ask again, GGJohn Feb 2016 #70

Odds are yes. brush Feb 2016 #116

Your opinion, mine's different. eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #118

The end of discourse: Fairgo Feb 2016 #10

Why would that be a problem? TipTok Feb 2016 #46

I guess Tip Tok.. busterbrown Feb 2016 #7

If they're legally carrying concealed, how the hell would you know? eom. GGJohn Feb 2016 #9

Mouth breathing and confederate flags are a pretty good indicator Major Nikon Feb 2016 #29

So you're saying that CC holders are racists? GGJohn Feb 2016 #32

No, you don't have to be a mouth breathing racist to be a CC holder Major Nikon Feb 2016 #34

Mist likely. Hoyt Feb 2016 #40

Question... TipTok Feb 2016 #47

What classroom experience do you have? struggle4progress Feb 2016 #43

+1 Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #54

You don't teach. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #51

One does not nees to have done a specific job... TipTok Feb 2016 #75

Sure, I can forge an opinion on the color of God's eyes or the exact gene coding of dinosaurs... Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #85

You talk a lot... TipTok Feb 2016 #89

You couldn't care less about facts -- you stated that already. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #91

I have nothing but respect for teachers... TipTok Feb 2016 #98

LOL. GGJohn Feb 2016 #93

Still wondering sarisataka Feb 2016 #13

At Universities like what is being discussed in the OP? My guess is pretty low. stevenleser Feb 2016 #17

I would be interested in establishing sarisataka Feb 2016 #21

it is not the actual rate that matters Helen Borg Feb 2016 #44

Campus Safety and Security Data Analysis Cutting Tool struggle4progress Feb 2016 #45

Thank you sarisataka Feb 2016 #50

That is totally irrelevant. TOTALLY. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #55

Absolutely relevant sarisataka Feb 2016 #61

Yeah. Good for you. Way to carry the water. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #63

??? sarisataka Feb 2016 #65

Wait, so some rights ARE absolute? beevul Feb 2016 #100

And if it's legal at their college, GGJohn Feb 2016 #112

Most of this is just fear mongering. I have no fear of my teaching inciting a shooting. aikoaiko Feb 2016 #14

Inciting is not the problem.. busterbrown Feb 2016 #22

And this has what to do with those that legally CC? eom GGJohn Feb 2016 #24

Because many of them are fucking nuts! busterbrown Feb 2016 #25

CC holders are statiscally much more law abiding that your average citizen, GGJohn Feb 2016 #28

Link Please...N/t busterbrown Feb 2016 #31

Which is a worthless fact often quoted by Wayne LaPierre's bots Major Nikon Feb 2016 #33

"The proliferation of guns in everyday settings simply insures that will happen more often." friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #77

If dichotomous thinking were of much value, you might have something Major Nikon Feb 2016 #90

There is also a decline in aggravated assault rates (which applies to nonfatal gun shot wounds) friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #95

There's also a decline in non-violent crime Major Nikon Feb 2016 #102

You have given no reasons aside from "I don't like guns" and a healthy serving of Colonism: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #137

But not more Law-abiding than those who qualify for a permit, but refuse to be be a gun toter. Hoyt Feb 2016 #42

That doesn't even make any sense. GGJohn Feb 2016 #79

Sure it does, there are sseveral hundred million people who could quality for a toting permit, Hoyt Feb 2016 #96

Of course you'd think that- you subscribe to Robert Bork's theory of "moral harm" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #97

You are correct, there are many victims from you gun love and support of lax gun laws. Hoyt Feb 2016 #99

It wasn't *my* claim, it was Robert Bork's- and yours, as well friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #133

Are you one of those folks... TipTok Feb 2016 #48

Please.. busterbrown Feb 2016 #41

Im not worried about that oncampus or off. aikoaiko Feb 2016 #36

If you don't see it a problem, then let those who spend every working day make the choice. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #56

Faculty don't get to decide which state laws apply to public campuses aikoaiko Feb 2016 #68

Well, that really stinks. merrily Feb 2016 #35

This doesn't surprise me at all. When I first heard about the new law all I could say is napi21 Feb 2016 #39

You can check already... TipTok Feb 2016 #49

Exactly. It's not like shootings on college campuses don't exist. Buzz Clik Feb 2016 #58

Really? GGJohn Feb 2016 #73

Are visitors to the Texas legislature allowed to carry? In the state courthouses? Divernan Feb 2016 #57

Everybody's now arguing whether guns can be banned from courthouses under current law struggle4progress Feb 2016 #64

Give all students a minimum "B" grade & raise it to A if threatened. Divernan Feb 2016 #59

powerpoint hyperbole... ileus Feb 2016 #60

Hey, Republicans like 'em ignorant Warpy Feb 2016 #66

Wonder if UT Austin will do the same. longship Feb 2016 #76

Lots of moral panicking on this thread, almost none of it borne out by statistics friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #78

Public Universities will conform malaise Feb 2016 #92

I can see RWing gun owners all in a tizzy over this! Rex Feb 2016 #105

Campus carry is not about the students. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #115

There are a lot of students over 21. greymattermom Feb 2016 #122

Yes, there are students over 21. ManiacJoe Feb 2016 #124