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Baobab

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14. The early 90s with NAFTA and WTO GATS. They were/are the two prototypes for US-style FTAs.

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 07:55 PM

Feb 2016

One thing though, the so called "negative list" in TiSA as far as I know, is new. That is sheer insanity, having it apply to "all service sectors and modes of supply".. by default, unless its carved out now..

FYI the web site italaw.com has collected almost all of the public case documents from various arbitral cases (but keep in mind that a very great many of them are private and never get to that stage, they call that the 'fright to regulate' hah hah) and I - fortunately or not have read a great many of them, there are some real doozies in there.

For example, don't count on revolutions or landslide Presidential elections or the dissolution of your country to get you out of the obligations you take on by signing one of these things.

Do you know about Achmea v. Slovak Republic for example?

---BTW, this case with India I think, is like so many of these things, backwards. its really much more about the US which is an extremely sensitive subject so this s a way of sending the message they want to send without saying it, and that is, get ready for changes on Mode Four.. Look up "Four Modes of Supply"

Progressive Liberalisation is a one way process so there will be no going back to protectionism and discrimination against their firms.. Costs on projects will be a lot cheaper but a lot of workers are going to be priced out of the labor market in developed countries without strong union protections.

Lots of developing countries are excited about that - and are gearing up for TiSA. For example, see the web sites of Cuts -Geneva and the South centre organizations..

This has been in the pipeline for a very log time but was stalled because of the sensitivity of the subject in America and the lack of Fast Track to allow Obama to put Mode Four on the table.

I wonder how they explain it all away, i don't see them telling Americans the truth about this, do you?

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I don't want trade agreements if they restrict communities from acting locally in their best Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #1

What I want to know is this.... Bubzer Feb 2016 #3

The early 90s with NAFTA and WTO GATS. They were/are the two prototypes for US-style FTAs. Baobab Feb 2016 #14

Can you think of a better Republican whinefest Gabi Hayes Feb 2016 #4

The republican base has wanted the US out of the WTO (and the UN, the IMF, the World Bank and pampango Feb 2016 #5

The WTO is like the Mafia, you can't just leave. they know that, Thats just an act. Baobab Feb 2016 #16

Bernie was co-sponsor of a bill in 2005 to have the US withdraw from the WTO. pampango Feb 2016 #20

Yes, i totally support Bernie Sanders- Okay, here the section is GATS Article XXI procedure. Baobab Feb 2016 #29

None of your links have anything to do with "To leave the US would have to compensate the injured pampango Feb 2016 #39

USA!! USA!! Spreading democracy...or, something. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #2

as I understand it, India can still build its own solar power industry RussBLib Feb 2016 #6

You're correct. This article is highly misleading. First, the WTO is a voluntary agreement and okaawhatever Feb 2016 #13

You are correct and I want the truth rather than talking point. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #28

Thanks for that. I'm going to read the article now. nt okaawhatever Feb 2016 #30

More BS by the BS fans, no doubt. looks like a win for the US to me. Jitter65 Feb 2016 #15

Exporting LNG may cause a lot of homelessness-as well as a building boomlet in the US Baobab Feb 2016 #17

"Where have you been the last 20 years?" (Joking) (thats okay, I know.. here!) Baobab Feb 2016 #31

The WTO is a paper tiger. closeupready Feb 2016 #7

Are you kidding? India signed the agreement to prevent exactly this from occurring. randome Feb 2016 #9

No, I'm not kidding. The WTO does NOT enforce their rulings. closeupready Feb 2016 #11

Sure they do, look at the WTO US Online Gambling Case Baobab Feb 2016 #18

Which remained unenforced. So you reinforce my point. closeupready Feb 2016 #21

All international agencies are tools malaise Feb 2016 #8

And few of those international agencies existed under Herbert Hoover. FDR started pampango Feb 2016 #10

Partly true but I'm thinking more of the multilaterals malaise Feb 2016 #12

The real point is that prior to FDR, none of these international institutions existed. Under Herbert pampango Feb 2016 #19

FDR was in a world of 100% tariffs. jeff47 Feb 2016 #26

"The solutions for a 100% tariff world are not necessarily the solutions for a 0% tariff world."Good pampango Feb 2016 #38

Good response ut in diminishing the role of excessive nationalism malaise Feb 2016 #33

FDR and Truman proposed and supported the diminishment of 'national sovereigty' represented by pampango Feb 2016 #36

True but members of the 'club' are often given a pass malaise Feb 2016 #37

Obama Administration and india sending message to disregard Bernie and his talk about Baobab Feb 2016 #32

Wow, you're going to be really surprised and disappointed to find out where Sanders stands on this Recursion Feb 2016 #34

If you think this is about Obama malaise Feb 2016 #35

IMO this ruling is probably good for India LittleBlue Feb 2016 #22

our doesn't destroy their industry . it just means they compete with foreigners JI7 Feb 2016 #23

Who're you kidding... they'll be undercut by companies with old money. Bubzer Feb 2016 #24

isn't this a new industry ? one problem in India was lack of competition and JI7 Feb 2016 #25

It's a new industry, yes... lacking much in the way of support... Bubzer Feb 2016 #27