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Baobab

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29. Yes, i totally support Bernie Sanders- Okay, here the section is GATS Article XXI procedure.
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 11:51 PM
Feb 2016

This is a good introduction to any reading on this issue..

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/sites/default/files/uploads/publications/National_Office_Pubs/putting_health_first.pdf

Also this just came out, its about TPP, and its very much on point:

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/publications/reports/major-complications
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Gats Article XXI procedure- the one we signed in 1995 - but were never told about is also described in these two documents, below both of which have a lot of other related information.

http://www.maine.gov/legis/opla/ctpchlthcaresub.pdf (This is also a must read, as it explains the problem of GATS blocking state healthcare plans, especially single payer . Its from the government of the state of Maine. Note it also shows the TiSA talks began in 2006, ten years ago!)

BTW, Single payer has to real single payer and also - cannot be "optional" that was a scam cooked up by the health insurance industry to use as bait.. also, it is guaranteed to fail, as was OC.

the reasons are simple- Adverse selection and falling incomes relative to the cost of health insurance, which is only ging to get orse as jobs vanish and wealth concentrates-

but the reality has been proven again and again by state plan after state plan all failing in the same way after approximately the same amount of time..

http://www.pnhp.org/states_flatline/State%20Health%20Reform%20Flatlines%20IJHS%20-%202008.pdf


Single payer is a working system but it has to be single payer, that sounds a bit repetitive but as I have had innumerable arguments with people i could just tell were paid confusers, I know this territiry intimately, It must be all or nothing to work. In other words, it cannot be a healthcare plan of last resort for the sick - thats called a high risk pool, it absolutely cannot exist alongside of commercial insurance plans, and charging money. There can't be fees - also because of the way WTO GATS (and TiSA, which borrows the same definition of scope) work, a health care plan has to be completely noncommercial to avoid a TiSA attack which leads straight to piecemeal privatization -... The same (GATS Article I:3 (b) and (c) - related issues apply to public education and virtually all other public services. (see links that I have posted repeatedly before or Google these phrases - especially the bolded one "For the purposes of this Agreement…

(b) 'services' includes any service in any sector except services supplied in the exercise of governmental authority;

(c) 'a service supplied in the exercise of governmental authority' means any service which is supplied neither on a commercial basis, nor in competition with one or more service suppliers." )

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http://www.citizen.org/documents/PresidentialWTOreport.pdf (Must read, also don't miss the references)

Proof that the EU has an outstanding request in to the US to harmonize state insurance plan (the 'selling of ne plan across state lines- is a precondition to entry into the US market often mentioned by experts as being a "stepping stone to no single payer ever" You'll notice that selling one policy across state lines is a consistent element of both GOP and I think perhaps also the Obama Administration has mentioned it. (if so, that would be classic Obama Administration signalling behavior that he really would like to trap us with it, but can't.)


http://www.citizen.org/documents/usa.pdf (under NAIC Model Law)

I have others - Brazil has also made that request. So a Brazilian firm wants to sell health insurance to Americans, but cant because of the 50 states. Once they come in, getting rid of them becomes unbelievably costly, and as I said that i essential to having single payer that works.


Also, of course, TiSA which is almost completed, TTIP and TPP.:

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I don't want trade agreements if they restrict communities from acting locally in their best Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #1
What I want to know is this.... Bubzer Feb 2016 #3
The early 90s with NAFTA and WTO GATS. They were/are the two prototypes for US-style FTAs. Baobab Feb 2016 #14
Can you think of a better Republican whinefest Gabi Hayes Feb 2016 #4
The republican base has wanted the US out of the WTO (and the UN, the IMF, the World Bank and pampango Feb 2016 #5
The WTO is like the Mafia, you can't just leave. they know that, Thats just an act. Baobab Feb 2016 #16
Bernie was co-sponsor of a bill in 2005 to have the US withdraw from the WTO. pampango Feb 2016 #20
Yes, i totally support Bernie Sanders- Okay, here the section is GATS Article XXI procedure. Baobab Feb 2016 #29
None of your links have anything to do with "To leave the US would have to compensate the injured pampango Feb 2016 #39
USA!! USA!! Spreading democracy...or, something. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #2
as I understand it, India can still build its own solar power industry RussBLib Feb 2016 #6
You're correct. This article is highly misleading. First, the WTO is a voluntary agreement and okaawhatever Feb 2016 #13
You are correct and I want the truth rather than talking point. Jim Beard Feb 2016 #28
Thanks for that. I'm going to read the article now. nt okaawhatever Feb 2016 #30
More BS by the BS fans, no doubt. looks like a win for the US to me. Jitter65 Feb 2016 #15
Exporting LNG may cause a lot of homelessness-as well as a building boomlet in the US Baobab Feb 2016 #17
"Where have you been the last 20 years?" (Joking) (thats okay, I know.. here!) Baobab Feb 2016 #31
The WTO is a paper tiger. closeupready Feb 2016 #7
Are you kidding? India signed the agreement to prevent exactly this from occurring. randome Feb 2016 #9
No, I'm not kidding. The WTO does NOT enforce their rulings. closeupready Feb 2016 #11
Sure they do, look at the WTO US Online Gambling Case Baobab Feb 2016 #18
Which remained unenforced. So you reinforce my point. closeupready Feb 2016 #21
All international agencies are tools malaise Feb 2016 #8
And few of those international agencies existed under Herbert Hoover. FDR started pampango Feb 2016 #10
Partly true but I'm thinking more of the multilaterals malaise Feb 2016 #12
The real point is that prior to FDR, none of these international institutions existed. Under Herbert pampango Feb 2016 #19
FDR was in a world of 100% tariffs. jeff47 Feb 2016 #26
"The solutions for a 100% tariff world are not necessarily the solutions for a 0% tariff world."Good pampango Feb 2016 #38
Good response ut in diminishing the role of excessive nationalism malaise Feb 2016 #33
FDR and Truman proposed and supported the diminishment of 'national sovereigty' represented by pampango Feb 2016 #36
True but members of the 'club' are often given a pass malaise Feb 2016 #37
Obama Administration and india sending message to disregard Bernie and his talk about Baobab Feb 2016 #32
Wow, you're going to be really surprised and disappointed to find out where Sanders stands on this Recursion Feb 2016 #34
If you think this is about Obama malaise Feb 2016 #35
IMO this ruling is probably good for India LittleBlue Feb 2016 #22
our doesn't destroy their industry . it just means they compete with foreigners JI7 Feb 2016 #23
Who're you kidding... they'll be undercut by companies with old money. Bubzer Feb 2016 #24
isn't this a new industry ? one problem in India was lack of competition and JI7 Feb 2016 #25
It's a new industry, yes... lacking much in the way of support... Bubzer Feb 2016 #27
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