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vi5

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11. I won't sit home...

Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:09 AM

Mar 2016

..But I'm also not going to cast a vote for the further sinking of my political party of 35 years down a dark hole of neoliberal ideas and third way hair splitting. If that's the direction the party wants to continue going down they can do it without me. For the last 10 years more often than not I've gone along with a "wait and see" approach, and cast ballot after ballot for candidates who betrayed many of the ideas I've held dear, and the ideas that were part of the party platform for the first 20 or so years I was an active member. But the time to stop "wait and see" is now.

Again, the party and it's machine have every right to take things in this direction. But if they do it, then they've left me not the other way around.

I'll be casting my vote against Donald Trump, but not necessarily for the Democrat (if it's Hillary).

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Voting One's Conscience [View all] malthaussen Mar 2016 OP

A vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote against Trump. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #1

+100 peacebird Mar 2016 #2

The rationale applies only if one does vote in the GE. malthaussen Mar 2016 #4

+ 1000000000000 !!!!!!!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Mar 2016 #8

That would only be true in the following cases: MH1 Mar 2016 #18

You can come back and whine at me if Trump wins Ohio by one vote in the GE. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #40

In the year 2000 hfojvt Mar 2016 #78

To support Hillary and her sellouts to corporations- marew Mar 2016 #60

That is technically true, but practically false. Adrahil Mar 2016 #33

That is "if you're not for us, you're against us" redux. Igel Mar 2016 #75

QED tk2kewl Mar 2016 #39

Amen.... daleanime Mar 2016 #81

Arithmatic says otherwise. Buzz cook Mar 2016 #105

Agree - 100% Laf.La.Dem. Mar 2016 #3

Third Way gives in to fear, and I'm afraid SHE means to blur the difference. orpupilofnature57 Mar 2016 #5

Not clear how this answers my question. malthaussen Mar 2016 #12

That risk runs both ways and though I trust her more than him, being Scared in to a vote is how we orpupilofnature57 Mar 2016 #59

My question, however, is concerned not with fear, but conscience. malthaussen Mar 2016 #61

Calling people for Bernie since July is a vote for my Conscience, Not supporting Hillary is orpupilofnature57 Mar 2016 #91

Except I haven't characterized anything as a lack of conscience. malthaussen Mar 2016 #92

That I understand and appreciate the question, You prefaced your question " Assuming " so orpupilofnature57 Mar 2016 #94

I always vote. For somebody. Shadowflash Mar 2016 #6

Bravo! fleur-de-lisa Mar 2016 #90

I won't vote for Trump or Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #7

Stipulated, but it doesn't answer the question. n/t malthaussen Mar 2016 #15

It does. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #17

Actually, you didn't. malthaussen Mar 2016 #22

Will that not be a vote against Trump? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #24

You might abstain from voting altogether. malthaussen Mar 2016 #28

What misundersting? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #37

No, I asked... malthaussen Mar 2016 #47

I have a conscience and I'm voting against Trump because of it. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #50

Certainly. malthaussen Mar 2016 #54

It does answer the question abelenkpe Mar 2016 #32

No, it doesn't, actually. malthaussen Mar 2016 #38

And that is where you are very wrong. TM99 Mar 2016 #49

I pray you keep civil. malthaussen Mar 2016 #52

You make the gross assumption TM99 Mar 2016 #58

No, actually I make no such assumption. malthaussen Mar 2016 #62

No your question was answered abelenkpe Mar 2016 #57

On the contrary, I am perfectly willing to accept it. malthaussen Mar 2016 #64

+1! n/t marew Mar 2016 #30

Ahh the lesser of two evils argument again! I am not moved. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #9

Argument? It was a question. malthaussen Mar 2016 #13

Its a just another veiled attempt Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #14

I had no idea you were the Shadow. malthaussen Mar 2016 #16

If you say so. Either way I am not voting Hillary. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #19

Which still doesn't answer the question. malthaussen Mar 2016 #23

My view is which can do more damage. A corporate operative with the intent of Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #27

So your assessment is that Mr Trump is not, in fact, the candidate most to be feared? malthaussen Mar 2016 #34

Ok Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #51

then the greater evil will pervail WhiteTara Mar 2016 #29

Guess you should have run something other than a corporate operative to win. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #31

"I" didn't run anyone WhiteTara Mar 2016 #41

No, Trump is a buffoon in search of self aggrandizement. Clinton is after power for powers sake. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #53

Time will tell. WhiteTara Mar 2016 #67

Pretty much Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #89

Awful. Guess you should have run someone other than a corporate operative. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #10

I won't sit home... vi5 Mar 2016 #11

I'll cross the GE bridge when I get there. KentuckyWoman Mar 2016 #20

Then the question does not apply. malthaussen Mar 2016 #26

I MIGHT vote Hillary if she wins. It isn't guaranteed. KentuckyWoman Mar 2016 #36

The question is not about whom you will vote for. malthaussen Mar 2016 #43

You see the box they put us in each time, vote for a corporate sell out, or really get screwed Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #21

Which still doesn't answer the question. malthaussen Mar 2016 #25

Some will vote their conscience, others will fall in line. Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #55

Still doesn't answer the question. malthaussen Mar 2016 #56

Voting for something tazkcmo Mar 2016 #35

Stipulated, but it doesn't answer the question. malthaussen Mar 2016 #44

No, it doesn't. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #45

I think it goes beyond conscience, mountain grammy Mar 2016 #42

Then the question does not apply... malthaussen Mar 2016 #46

The conscience thing bothers me too.. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #72

The answer can only be that they assess the situation differently. malthaussen Mar 2016 #76

This ... BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #48

It is an amazing thing.. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #66

You've got your priorities BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #93

"Conscience" in this context is a euphemism for narcissism Orrex Mar 2016 #63

Oddly enough, that may not be true in all cases. malthaussen Mar 2016 #65

That's a fair distinction Orrex Mar 2016 #68

I'd have to know more... malthaussen Mar 2016 #70

Mal I will answer this in another way nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #69

Rather than "more than expected," malthaussen Mar 2016 #74

I am nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #77

There are a couple of reasons someone might. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #71

Sure. malthaussen Mar 2016 #82

Why should Muslims and Mexicans be MY top concern? hfojvt Mar 2016 #73

Well, I make no suggestion that they should be your top concern. malthaussen Mar 2016 #83

you seemed to feel that it should be a concern hfojvt Mar 2016 #84

I'll suggest that prejudicial behavior... malthaussen Mar 2016 #87

If the Democratic party no longer represents the economic interests and social interests PatrickforO Mar 2016 #79

I should hope you would always vote for whom you please. malthaussen Mar 2016 #85

Risk assessment Kuroneko Mar 2016 #80

That's one of the things I am trying to get at. malthaussen Mar 2016 #88

If you put a Republican to my head and threaten to pull the trigger if I don't vote your way, do it. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #86

And that's why Bernie would beat Donald, it's Wasserman, MSM and $$$$$ who have NO conscience who orpupilofnature57 Mar 2016 #95

No, the threat not to vote is intimidation. "They will tear everything down if Democrats don't Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #96

History repeating itself bhikkhu Mar 2016 #97

The point is relevant for those who saw it coming. malthaussen Mar 2016 #99

You shouldn't worry about purity voters. joshcryer Mar 2016 #98

In statistical terms, probably. malthaussen Mar 2016 #100

This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Mar 2016 #101

I'm not interested in assessing blame. malthaussen Mar 2016 #102

This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Mar 2016 #103

Say rather that they are your reasons. malthaussen Mar 2016 #104

You Asked For Reasons - You Got Reasons - Yours Or Otherwise cantbeserious Mar 2016 #106

Amen. 840high Mar 2016 #107