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HuckleB

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173. The fact that the poster doesn't know the reality about that "study" is astounding.

Reply to Bradical79 (Reply #172)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:41 PM

Mar 2016

Dunning Kruger is powerful stuff.

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Altered Genes, Twisted Truth: How the Venture to Genetically Engineer Our Food Has Subverted Science [View all] nationalize the fed Mar 2016 OP

More. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #1

Thanks for the links nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #2

All harmless. longship Mar 2016 #7

There is a vast difference between plant breeding and gene splicing / genetic modification (GMOs). PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #8

The line of demarcation is fuzzy. longship Mar 2016 #11

You are wrong. PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #13

Please....the only authority on the matter bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #52

The shill gambit. How clever. Nailzberg Mar 2016 #18

I've seen ignorant posts at DU... ellenrr Mar 2016 #24

What an insulting response! longship Mar 2016 #67

Is that why full bred dogs don't live as long? immoderate Mar 2016 #55

Full bred dogs don't live long because of inbreeding. longship Mar 2016 #79

They also have genetic traits that prevent natural birth, and cause discomfort immoderate Mar 2016 #87

Or children who might otherwise go blind. longship Mar 2016 #94

Some genetic engineering is justified. Golden Rice ain't it. immoderate Mar 2016 #98

Do you mean other than kids going blind? longship Mar 2016 #100

Give 'em a carrot! immoderate Mar 2016 #102

Maybe carrots don't grow in Asia. Golden rice does. longship Mar 2016 #103

I am not aware of any place that has counteracted Vitamin A deficiencies with Golden Rice. immoderate Mar 2016 #105

Okay. Here is a balanced treatment of the topic. longship Mar 2016 #107

The pieces you presented are science fiction. immoderate Mar 2016 #110

Science is a bitch, my friend. longship Mar 2016 #113

There is no peer reviewed paper that states they're safe either. immoderate Mar 2016 #116

The Seralini paper has been universally slammed! longship Mar 2016 #119

Labels? Where is the line of demarcation? longship Mar 2016 #127

Where do you get the idea that all scientists think GMOs are safe? immoderate Mar 2016 #128

It is not up to me to prove genetic modification safe. longship Mar 2016 #130

You don't know about science. Stop speaking for it. Stop invoking ghosts. You don't know me. immoderate Mar 2016 #131

Genetic modification has been shown to be safe. longship Mar 2016 #139

Shown to be safe -- where? immoderate Mar 2016 #140

Yet again, the burden of proof is on the deniers. longship Mar 2016 #141

Total Rubbish nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #143

Put up, or shut up! longship Mar 2016 #144

So you are a linear thinker. Pleiotropy? immoderate Mar 2016 #146

I love it when you talk dirty to me. longship Mar 2016 #150

Can't even watch a video, eh? Your facts are in error or very misleading and cause me to ask who is Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #66

Who? The Social Security Administration, that's who. longship Mar 2016 #68

"What would it take to change your position?" I'll start when my botonist wife informs me otherwise. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #72

Aha! Argument from authority. longship Mar 2016 #75

Get your 'botonist' wife to tell you how to spell her profession muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #83

Wow. Pettiness AND rudeness. I'm glad I don't live nearby! Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #84

Rude? Nothing rude there. muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #86

Oh, goodness. HuckleB Mar 2016 #136

Monsanto makes up fake science. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #104

Monsanto == very little of genetic modification research. longship Mar 2016 #108

Many university research is now either fully or partially funded by the industry who whants the Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #109

yes and the glyphosate that goes along with GMOs is safe too (sarcasm) wordpix Mar 2016 #164

What is this fixation on glyphosate? longship Mar 2016 #168

GMO's- the biggest scientific fraud of our age nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #3

Steven Druker? Are you serious? Archae Mar 2016 #4

Check it out. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #12

Perhaps you should... nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #22

Oooo fun. Let's play the deflection game. progressoid Mar 2016 #30

Long term animal feeding studies, the gold standard for demonstrating safety, do not exist. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #41

Actually they do exist... progressoid Mar 2016 #59

Check search engine at homepage of http://www.gmwatch.org/ for objective vetting of research/news. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #64

Bwahahaha. The first link I clicked on went to a Seralini study. progressoid Mar 2016 #71

Try these 3 analyses/critiques. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #74

Answered progressoid Mar 2016 #77

“Generation Rx” - it's all a big mystery. Food allergies affect 1 in 13 children in the US... proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #97

Study suggests potential association between "soy formula" & seizures in children w autism (3/13/14) proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #112

"we can’t say that this is cause and effect" progressoid Mar 2016 #121

True. However, enough is unknown currently to justify caution, IMO. You may decide differently.(nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #126

The feedlot studies are not scientific. They are worthless. immoderate Mar 2016 #90

What kind of studies would it take? progressoid Mar 2016 #118

Cite ONE of those 1783 studies that concludes GMOs are safe. immoderate Mar 2016 #122

Cite one study that concludes they are dangerous. progressoid Mar 2016 #123

OK, one is Pusztai. Now you go. immoderate Mar 2016 #125

So we are using flawed studies? progressoid Mar 2016 #132

Your turn. Post an unflawed study in response. You got one? Beuhler? immoderate Mar 2016 #133

It's not arguable. It is flawed, and it ruined his career. progressoid Mar 2016 #134

I gave you one. You give me one to chew on. immoderate Mar 2016 #135

there are plenty of yogis who have high levels of education and achievement wordpix Mar 2016 #165

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #5

Heck, I've seen more actual science from creationists. Archae Mar 2016 #6

the gmo cancer lawsuits are coming big time womanofthehills Mar 2016 #37

No wonder you left the URL off... Archae Mar 2016 #46

Excellent post Johnny2X2X Mar 2016 #82

All you gmo defenders can eat all the gmos you want, many of us make a choice not to. We have the Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #9

There are zero credible studies that show anything harmful or any adverse health effects True Earthling Mar 2016 #10

Yeah, everything's fine for everybody. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #14

Don't blame GMO's...blame cigarettes, alcohol, poor diet & lack of exercise etc True Earthling Mar 2016 #15

You're not seriously blaming autism on GMOs. progressoid Mar 2016 #16

Everyone knows that ingestion of cheese can lead to restless sleep. Especially, if the cheese... yawnmaster Mar 2016 #20

Full disclosure. I eat both cow and goat cheeses. progressoid Mar 2016 #28

You are very wise to take those precautions if you are going to keep eating cheese. eom yawnmaster Mar 2016 #73

I'm simply advocating for applying the Precautionary Principle. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #21

When you keep posting autism links, that is more than advocating for the Precautionary Principle. progressoid Mar 2016 #25

You can always tell when someone's catapulting the propaganda Orrex Mar 2016 #27

Yesteryear, vaccines caused Autism, and now GMO's do. Lancero Mar 2016 #26

It was also power lines, too. NEVER FORGET! Orrex Mar 2016 #29

Remember when cell phone were killing bees? progressoid Mar 2016 #124

Epigenetics. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #38

That PDF says nothing about genetically modified organisms Orrex Mar 2016 #154

True, it's implicit: "...eat high nutrient density food; avoid junk food, allergens, toxicants..." proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #161

Gish gallop Orrex Mar 2016 #162

FOOD ALLERGIES are sufficient. Pivot away from the rest if you choose not to be ahead of the curve. proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #174

Gish gallop Orrex Mar 2016 #175

National Acad of Sciences: "genetic transformation has potential to produce unanticipated allergens" proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #176

Gish gallop Orrex Mar 2016 #177

Just saw this -> 3/8/16: "USDA Called Out by 50 Groups for Censoring Science" proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #179

ibid Orrex Mar 2016 #180

+1 excellent thanks for posting nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #163

Rock-n-Roll causes devil worship too Major Nikon Mar 2016 #53

Well sure. It's right there in the song... progressoid Mar 2016 #61

So does this mean you've given up on your "vaccines cause autism" shtick? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #49

Here's how retiring NVICP Special Master Denise K. Vowell stated it in Wright v HHS - 9/21/15 (ii). proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #65

I'll take that as a yes Major Nikon Mar 2016 #78

Not counting the millions... CanSocDem Mar 2016 #31

Science requires proof... not faith. True Earthling Mar 2016 #33

And yet people still have faith in science.. LanternWaste Mar 2016 #47

Wait a minute... trotsky Mar 2016 #36

Obtuse R us. CanSocDem Mar 2016 #40

Aha, so if we don't label GMOs... trotsky Mar 2016 #42

What are you talking about? CanSocDem Mar 2016 #45

So you admit consumption of food plays a role in disease? trotsky Mar 2016 #48

Duh...(eom) CanSocDem Mar 2016 #50

Fantastic. trotsky Mar 2016 #57

Roundup and non-Hodgkin lymphoma womanofthehills Mar 2016 #39

So are you saying the World Health Organization is not credible womanofthehills Mar 2016 #44

Seems pretty straightforward Major Nikon Mar 2016 #56

The WHO agrees with me...GMO foods are safe... True Earthling Mar 2016 #69

The feed lot studies you cite are not scientific. Those animals are raised on antibiotics. immoderate Mar 2016 #62

then why aren't you fighting to label all breeding methods? Nailzberg Mar 2016 #19

We al have the RIGHT TO KNOW how our food is grown, what is in it, what animals are fed, what Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #106

+2 exactly nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #23

The only ones being 'sneaky" or "secret" are the organic lobby. Archae Mar 2016 #34

WHO says probable human carcinogen womanofthehills Mar 2016 #43

Water is a "probable carcinogen." Archae Mar 2016 #51

They also put coffee and aspirin in the same category Major Nikon Mar 2016 #63

Why don't Druker and his buddies at the Maharishi Institute just meditate this problem away. progressoid Mar 2016 #17

Meticulously researched, highly informative AxionExcel Mar 2016 #32

"Meticulously researched, highly informative" Archae Mar 2016 #35

Actually organic food is not expensive womanofthehills Mar 2016 #54

Have you read the book? AxionExcel Mar 2016 #58

Are the health outcomes comparable? Paraphrasing Springsteen,"It's hard to be a saint in the city." proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #178

Certainly not the fake science book in the OP Bonx Mar 2016 #70

I'm willing to wager* a giant imperial gallon of glyphosate that AxionExcel Mar 2016 #76

Sure, because the one sided book you keep harping on is the end all on the subject Major Nikon Mar 2016 #81

Oh, so you are yet another critic who has not read the book... AxionExcel Mar 2016 #85

So are you claiming the book isn't one sided? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #89

I'm merely observing that horde of "critics" on this thread has not read the book AxionExcel Mar 2016 #115

I didn't ask bout no horde Major Nikon Mar 2016 #117

You vill desist! 0-7 jury sez someone has hurt feelers ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #91

Gee, I wonder who that was? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #93

I got a laugh out of it ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #95

Why would I read a fake science book ? Bonx Mar 2016 #114

Why would anyone condemn something they know nothing about? AxionExcel Mar 2016 #167

No Idea. I read the reviews. It's fake science from an attorney. Bonx Mar 2016 #171

Yes there sre some massive, world-changing side effects of this stuff whatthehey Mar 2016 #60

The first GMO food was not sold until 1994 so the drop in global death rate PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #137

The OP specified the timeframe, and we sure see a nice drop after the 1990s too... whatthehey Mar 2016 #148

Your own link proves you are confused on the subject Major Nikon Mar 2016 #157

Either you are not understanding what I wrote or you are confused. Also see posts #3 and #8 above. PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #158

I'm not sure your clarification helps much Major Nikon Mar 2016 #159

The Climate Change Deniers of the Left Johnny2X2X Mar 2016 #80

Interesting coincidence AxionExcel Mar 2016 #88

So you think they thought of it first? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #92

Heck, I still remember when I challenged astrology buffs here. Archae Mar 2016 #96

When the usual suspects all say those who disagree are part of the conspiracy Major Nikon Mar 2016 #99

Seriously? Archae Mar 2016 #120

Top experts (Herbert, Mumper) recommend "a whole food diet that is as organic as possible." proverbialwisdom Mar 2016 #129

This is the untalked about scandal of the century. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #101

Wow. I can only imagine the mad googlers in this thread with many windows opened Rex Mar 2016 #111

I used wiki in the 3 posts I made in this thread. PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #138

GMOs aren't fundamentally different from traditional plant breeding Major Nikon Mar 2016 #145

This is wrong - "GMOs aren't fundamentally different from traditional plant breeding" PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #149

Well you certainly make a convincing argument Major Nikon Mar 2016 #151

From the forward by Jane Goodall nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #142

Reading this thread... CanSocDem Mar 2016 #147

Fear over reason... Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #153

I ate GMO food and died. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #152

GMO made the hens stop laying and now the cows won't milk Major Nikon Mar 2016 #155

And Monsanto just laughed. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #156

THE COMPLEX NATURE OF GMOS CALLS FOR A NEW CONVERSATION drokhole Mar 2016 #160

Great post. CanSocDem Mar 2016 #170

Long term study shows the harm GMO diet causes AxionExcel Mar 2016 #166

GMO Boosters, Inc.: DO NOT READ THIS STUDY AxionExcel Mar 2016 #169

Seems the paper has been widely discredited Bradical79 Mar 2016 #172

The fact that the poster doesn't know the reality about that "study" is astounding. HuckleB Mar 2016 #173

From chapter 13: The Devolution of Scientists into Spin Doctors nationalize the fed Mar 2016 #181