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Dickster

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64. Lots of bad info here

Reply to Ghost in the Machine (Original post)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:35 PM

Mar 2016

I'm a farmer. I'm not going to defend GMO's. I do not use them anymore. I plant conventional corn and soybeans. The issue here has nothing to do with GMO. The Neonicotinoid pesticide is used to treat seed corn. It is a powder that is applied to the seed before the seed is bagged for sale. The seed corn is treated to prevent soil born insects from chewing on the seed after it is planted. This can be a big problem for corn growers if they plant untreated seed. The problem occurs during planting. Almost all planters now use either a vacuum or air system to deliver the seed to the furrow. The dust from the treated seed is picked up in the exhaust of air out of the planter. This dust is picked up by the wind or deposited on the ground, where bees can come in contact with it.The reason this pesticide is used is because it was deemed safer for humans than the old pesticides used 15 years ago. Obviously, bees do not tolerate it well. We either need to go back to the old pesticides, or get rid of the air delivery type planters. There are planters that use older technology that are just as accurate as the newer ones

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37 Million Bees Found Dead After Planting Large GMO Corn Field Treated With Neonicotinoid Class Of [View all] Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 OP

Corporate GMO imperialism is unhealthy for living things AxionExcel Mar 2016 #1

Do you figure it was the GMO corn that killed them? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #28

Snopes says this is undetermined. Wilms Mar 2016 #2

The snopes article mostly says that it was found that neonicotinoid pesticides k8conant Mar 2016 #3

So I kind of wonder if it matters. Wilms Mar 2016 #7

True...nt k8conant Mar 2016 #9

GMO plants better tolerate neonicotinoids. Duppers Mar 2016 #23

It's irrelevant. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #32

Name the GMO plants that tolerate neonics. HuckleB Mar 2016 #43

I'm impressed. HuckleB Mar 2016 #45

Well gee Huck. Wilms Mar 2016 #55

You're still a long way from being a skeptic. HuckleB Mar 2016 #59

neonicotinoids should be banned ASAP Albertoo Mar 2016 #4

"Better safe than sorry" deathrind Mar 2016 #8

City dwellers tend to forget it's bees which pollinate many foods Albertoo Mar 2016 #10

Yes, deathrind Mar 2016 #13

They ARE banned RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #56

I meant, should be banned in the US Albertoo Mar 2016 #112

So why not cell phones while we're at it? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #156

Hmmmm... deathrind Mar 2016 #5

EPA admits what's been killing bees womanofthehills Mar 2016 #137

Just followed a lonk on facebook. Usually never a good sign. Nailzberg Mar 2016 #6

Only if your friends are idiots. Duppers Mar 2016 #25

OT, but I had no idea there were that many bees in a beehive petronius Mar 2016 #11

50K -60K is about right for the average Honey Bee colony, bvar22 Mar 2016 #15

That's extremely cool, congratulations! Hope this season turns out well for you petronius Mar 2016 #104

I had never heard of it either until moving to this area. bvar22 Mar 2016 #158

They are growing corn in Ontario in February? Brother Buzz Mar 2016 #12

my first thought too Kali Mar 2016 #87

It's got to be an old story Brother Buzz Mar 2016 #91

k&r Liberal_in_LA Mar 2016 #14

This story and web site are pure bullshit. Archae Mar 2016 #16

Yeah. That lit up my crap detector. sarge43 Mar 2016 #20

it gets into the soil via the seeds PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #140

Good point about drift sarge43 Mar 2016 #149

The story is on... deathrind Mar 2016 #33

So what? HuckleB Mar 2016 #38

What problems would that be? deathrind Mar 2016 #96

Like it's two years old. It's winter. It's been debunked. HuckleB Mar 2016 #97

Ok deathrind Mar 2016 #98

It's been provided on this thread, over and over again. HuckleB Mar 2016 #100

Is this better? katsy Mar 2016 #37

^^^^^ Hissyspit Mar 2016 #77

That was debunked, too, but it is unrelated to the BS in the OP. HuckleB Mar 2016 #79

When pesticide kills all our bees - not to worry - we can get our honey from CUBA!! womanofthehills Mar 2016 #93

The plural of anecdote is not data. HuckleB Mar 2016 #94

I think it does womanofthehills Mar 2016 #157

Do you even know why that meme is wrong? HuckleB Apr 2016 #159

That study is fine, but many others show different results. HuckleB Mar 2016 #99

That study was shit Major Nikon Mar 2016 #154

No Major Nikon Mar 2016 #153

Nice cherry-picking job! Did you leave these out on purpose?? Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #40

Maybe everyone but bayer & monsanto katsy Mar 2016 #53

I thought GMO was all harmless and stuff tabasco Mar 2016 #17

Well, in this case GMO is irrelevant. jeff47 Mar 2016 #51

Note: No bees killed by GMO. longship Mar 2016 #18

Kicked and RECOMMENDED. Duppers Mar 2016 #19

Derp. HuckleB Mar 2016 #39

Here ------------------some added information......................to your piece.............. turbinetree Mar 2016 #21

... Duppers Mar 2016 #29

Philpott is an anti-GMO hack. HuckleB Mar 2016 #41

"Philpott is an anti-GMO hack."..... So what are you saying, that you're a "pro-GMO water carrier".. Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #52

You're the person who posted this long-debunked propaganda. HuckleB Mar 2016 #54

The only thing I've seen debunked is that bees don't pollinate corn... Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #65

Try reading the responses. HuckleB Mar 2016 #66

I *HAVE* read the responses, and they are conflicting... some pro-GMO, some anti-GMO Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #75

You owe us all a big apology. HuckleB Mar 2016 #78

I owe YOU nothing! Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #83

You owe us all a massive apology. HuckleB Mar 2016 #84

PS: HuckleB Mar 2016 #57

But many here tout the safety of gmos and pesticides.... Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #22

Disgusting how uninformed some are. Duppers Mar 2016 #26

You seem to be among the most uninformed on this topic. HuckleB Mar 2016 #147

Kill the bees zentrum Mar 2016 #24

Yes PearliePoo2 Mar 2016 #34

I recommend the zentrum Mar 2016 #48

sigh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #27

This is not the normal response to neonicotinoids. Usually, the bees become disoriented and ... Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #30

It was February in Ontario, so the neonics were clearly the cause of something. HuckleB Mar 2016 #36

Your comment made me go back to the article. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #67

And yet 85 plus DUers liked it. HuckleB Mar 2016 #68

On this planet we have the greedy monicaangela Mar 2016 #31

If you don't know the reality of the source, why post such ludicrous claims? HuckleB Mar 2016 #35

jeeeeebus. how many times does this natural news story have to be debunked? mopinko Mar 2016 #42

Oh, goodness. And it pulled in 70 likes already. HuckleB Mar 2016 #46

There are many other studies about sick honey bees womanofthehills Mar 2016 #105

we both are hard core believers in real science. mopinko Mar 2016 #150

This drive for ever-increasing productivity Duppers Mar 2016 #44

Prove your claims with a consensus of peer-reviewed science. HuckleB Mar 2016 #47

Anytime terms like peered reviewed concensous are bandied about you know eyes are on this post. CentralMass Mar 2016 #58

I'm waiting. HuckleB Mar 2016 #60

I don't don't need peer reviewed studies to tell me that CentralMass Mar 2016 #61

You just proved that you don't know anything about the topic. HuckleB Mar 2016 #63

I'm with you and so is most of Europe womanofthehills Mar 2016 #119

Lucky Belgium bees - no GMO's for them womanofthehills Mar 2016 #125

They are clearly liberal science haters trying to hurt the noble purveyors of GMO crops and ..i. CentralMass Mar 2016 #49

This is an old conspiracy story that is debunked. HuckleB Mar 2016 #50

GE corn & sick honey bees womanofthehills Mar 2016 #101

An antiGMO fiction Link? HuckleB Mar 2016 #107

The OP knows this story is completely bogus. HuckleB Mar 2016 #62

No, the OP is not yet fully convinced, and you can't PROVE what *I* "know", so the Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #69

You posted a two-year-old story that was debunked then. HuckleB Mar 2016 #70

I posted something I JUST READ before posting! Do YOU see the date in the by-line? Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #81

And you posted it without looking into it. HuckleB Mar 2016 #85

"but now you know the reality" The reality that I know is that there is a Worldwide movement against Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #88

So doing the right thing is not your thing. HuckleB Mar 2016 #89

And here you are, still flapping away with the fingers when it is apparently clear that you should Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #110

You love to be rude to people womanofthehills Mar 2016 #102

You are now propagating stigma upon people with mental illness. HuckleB Mar 2016 #103

For someone who says they know science laundry_queen Mar 2016 #109

Yes. They are the same thing. HuckleB Mar 2016 #111

They are in the DSM laundry_queen Mar 2016 #113

Yes, they do. HuckleB Mar 2016 #114

Ah projection laundry_queen Mar 2016 #117

You probably don't know what that means. HuckleB Mar 2016 #118

Ok. nt laundry_queen Mar 2016 #122

Why was DBT developed? HuckleB Mar 2016 #115

You are now cherry picking one personality disorder, the only one pretty much laundry_queen Mar 2016 #121

No, I'm not. HuckleB Mar 2016 #124

So you are saying AsPD and NPD laundry_queen Mar 2016 #126

So you're saying mental illness stigma is fine... HuckleB Mar 2016 #129

Thanks for the non-answer answer. nt laundry_queen Mar 2016 #130

You don't like reality. I get that. HuckleB Mar 2016 #131

No, I just can't really see Donald Trump laundry_queen Mar 2016 #132

Donald Trump is an anecdote. HuckleB Mar 2016 #134

LOL, yes you are the gatekeeper of all science on DU laundry_queen Mar 2016 #135

Way to double down. HuckleB Mar 2016 #139

You are always rude womanofthehills Mar 2016 #136

Hypocritical much? HuckleB Mar 2016 #142

Lots of bad info here Dickster Mar 2016 #64

Thank you for your post, Dickster. I just read a little while ago where the bees are dying Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #82

First the bees...... womanofthehills Mar 2016 #133

Why the switch to the newer planters then? jeff47 Mar 2016 #106

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #71

Why? HuckleB Mar 2016 #72

To call attention to the tragedy. Enthusiast Mar 2016 #80

What tragedy? HuckleB Mar 2016 #86

quit shilling for Fking Monsanto MFM008 Mar 2016 #138

Quit shilling for anti-science ignorance. HuckleB Mar 2016 #141

When did they plant corn in Ontario? Igel Mar 2016 #73

The story is actually from 2014. HuckleB Mar 2016 #76

Neonicotinoid are preventing honeybees from using their cellphones Orrex Mar 2016 #74

Honeybees shouldn't be using cellphones anyway. Dr. Strange Mar 2016 #90

That makes no sense. Corn is planted in early May in Ontario. LeftyMom Mar 2016 #92

But it was GMO corn!!11!!11 Gormy Cuss Mar 2016 #152

I sure hope that when the PTB finally kill off public eduation Kali Mar 2016 #95

Who writes these headlines? LisaM Mar 2016 #108

It is an apparently misleading headline, but is the one that went with the story..... Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #120

Not putting it on the OP LisaM Mar 2016 #123

Thank you, LisaM.... Peace to you and yours.... n/t Ghost in the Machine Mar 2016 #127

The source is crap. HuckleB Mar 2016 #143

I just got a kick out of the ungrammatical headline LisaM Mar 2016 #144

Why am I picturing the opening scene to Bambi? HuckleB Mar 2016 #145

For the same reason I'm picturing an OP martyring itself in snitful righteousness LanternWaste Mar 2016 #151

Poorly written article that cannot get the dates right laundry_queen Mar 2016 #116

This is why it is a really bad idea to politicize genetically modified foods. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #128

suicide by greed. + we aint getting a penny. pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #146

K&R! countryjake Mar 2016 #148

I'm gonna go ahead and give this one a Train-Rec. Iggo Mar 2016 #155