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tinrobot

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57. Hilliary is a politician, Bernie is an idealist.

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:24 AM

Mar 2016

The politician counts votes. This time there will be lots of votes towards the center and center right. If she can put herself up as the 'mainstream' candidate, she can dominate the center and push the Trump wing off a cliff.

The idealist doesn't compromise as much. He invigorates like-minded voters for higher turnout, but is also willing to leave votes on the table. This strategy requires high turnout from the faithful.

I'm honestly not sure which strategy is better this time out. Strange times, indeed.

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Republican senator: 'I�m out� if GOP becomes party of David Duke, Donald Trump [View all] nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 OP

They say that now. RandySF Mar 2016 #1

Do study the evolution of parties nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #3

Seems like the GOP is ending and the Democratic party is splitting in two. nt JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #8

Looking that way. TM99 Mar 2016 #13

Yes, that is what it looks like nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #14

I have great faith. Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #33

That's not necessarily the problem davidn3600 Mar 2016 #36

This process has been underway for nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #37

Yes The GOP fostered its ultraconservative wing and now it is blowing up their party. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #41

The biggest crisis is on the GOP side, and it has been a long time coming and well deserved. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #44

The discord in the dem side is sub-rosa nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #45

My .02: The Dems are NOT going to blow apart their party like the GOP is now doing. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #47

Or the party will end up splitting as the nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #48

Yes that is an option, as I said, it does feel like the Dems are splitting in two. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #50

The right already has a functional party nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #51

What do you think will happen with the GOP? JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #52

IN my view the same fate as the Whig party nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #53

I agree totally. The GOP as we know it, is done. nt JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #59

The US is at a major crossroad. Do we continue to fall into third world status JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #60

Yes, it's starting to look like Germany Albertoo Mar 2016 #27

I'm sure Hillary will try to move the party ever further to the right revbones Mar 2016 #2

That is exactly how party realignments happen nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #4

So the choice is revbones Mar 2016 #7

Or as this evolves, one party might collapse nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #9

Or we could avoid that and all vote Bernie.. nt revbones Mar 2016 #11

Bernie will not stop a process that has been ongoing for a generation nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #12

You know, Bill Maher had something interesting to say. RandySF Mar 2016 #5

He is not the only one saying that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #10

Never let let an opportunity to trash Republicans get in the way of trashing Hillary ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2016 #42

We're not competing against them yet revbones Mar 2016 #43

Bingo! Never get in the way of the opposition self-destructing by fanning the flames of your own . . brush Mar 2016 #62

Hilliary is a politician, Bernie is an idealist. tinrobot Mar 2016 #57

Been that way for a while now rpannier Mar 2016 #6

He thinks his hangover was caused by other people drinking. Wilms Mar 2016 #35

DOOOoooooo ITTTttttttt ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #15

We're seeing tectonic shifts in both parties Hydra Mar 2016 #16

For all four to be viable nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #17

*Nods* Something is going to happen to make that possible Hydra Mar 2016 #18

I think we are entering into a deep crisis nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #20

Yep. Things are going to get interesting in the coming years. progressoid Mar 2016 #32

But we don't have a "winner take all" system... Wounded Bear Mar 2016 #34

We actually do nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #38

What would be the difference? white_wolf Mar 2016 #26

Well business and conservative nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #39

Thanks for the clarification white_wolf Mar 2016 #65

For that winner takes all nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #67

Rip van winkle much Sasse ? Where ya been your party has been this way a long time Person 2713 Mar 2016 #19

He also refers to Trump as a "New York liberal" several times melman Mar 2016 #21

Yeah, but party realignments or collapses start like this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #22

I noticed that phrase too, but was he talking about Trump or Hillary and Bernie as they . . . brush Mar 2016 #69

If Republicans have one sane braincell left felix_numinous Mar 2016 #23

'I�m out� if GOP becomes party of David Duke, Donald Trump! UtahJosh Mar 2016 #24

DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Initech Mar 2016 #25

The rats are leaving the sinking ship! yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2016 #28

But Sasse is still the Nebraska Tea Party's guy, so just because he isn't tblue37 Mar 2016 #29

I don't get it the GOP has been the party of David Duke for a long time exxo1111 Mar 2016 #30

It's about time we had another party realignment. Marr Mar 2016 #31

This one is damn dangerous nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #46

Hey Ben maxrandb Mar 2016 #40

It's got to be so frustrating for them... Phentex Mar 2016 #49

Um, senator, it already is. nt Javaman Mar 2016 #54

Carl Bernstein called out the media, too. Said they should focus on the FASCISM rising blm Mar 2016 #55

Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #56

I think we should have a four party system meow2u3 Mar 2016 #58

Wow... LeftishBrit Mar 2016 #61

Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in awhile! yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2016 #63

My ancestors came from Durham England, yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2016 #64

No less an authority on things GOP than Peggy Noonan agrees with you KamaAina Mar 2016 #66

The GOP infrastructure won't go away. Xolodno Mar 2016 #68