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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)115. It's about very brave antisemitism :
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I cannot stand him. His fans are racists who run around calling blacks racist and wonder why we hate him and them. I don't even LIKE Hillary but I will vote for her just so his fans can feel the sne BERN that they have been passing out.
Look at the racist comments here. I did not know jews hated us blacks so much. Good to know. I will return it in kind. There are so few of them It's a wonder they have the gall to think about being racist against blacks.
Bravenak, Frontpage Mag 6 Comments [3/11/2016 4:32:30 AM]
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I cannot stand him. His fans are racists who run around calling blacks racist and wonder why we hate him and them. I don't even LIKE Hillary but I will vote for her just so his fans can feel the sne BERN that they have been passing out.
Look at the racist comments here. I did not know jews hated us blacks so much. Good to know. I will return it in kind. There are so few of them It's a wonder they have the gall to think about being racist against blacks.
Bravenak, Frontpage Mag 6 Comments [3/11/2016 4:32:30 AM]
Fundie Index: 12
It also fits a common Hillary Campaign pattern that encourages hatred and division, some posters have a real nak for it, and are a great asset to disunity, David Brock, and of course Hillary Clinton whom it is meant to help politically.
Any candidate that would actively try to divide Americans across racial and cultural lines
Then attempt to foster hatred of each group against the other is harmful not just to the process but to the innocent people they are trying to divide into racial political wars, even if it is only an attempt to do so temporarily (as they likely tell themselves), just until an election is won, it is deplorable behavior and often seen used by hate groups across the globe.
This is becoming a pattern from the Clinton Campaign.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511300567#post4.
Brock is a big part of this (pit one poor race against another) in order to win victories designed to profit the wealthy at the expense of all the people that will suffer under their trickle down neoliberal policies which will harm all of us struggling people no matter the race, but those that hire them also have a history of agitating people to hate by race and so are just as, if not more, accountable for such deplorable tactics.
It is a tactic often used by the wealthy in order to keep the power and money while continuing to steal even more in the face of glaring wide spread wealth disparity across all racial and social lines, In war the tactic is called divide and conquer, the wealthy have throughout history done this at the point where the difference between the rich and poor becomes widespread and apparent.
A true leader on the other hand, one that wants to help all the people historically tries to bring all the people together to fight the aristocracy.
It is clear which candidate is following which tactic, just as it is clear which candidate is little more than the puppet of the wealthy and attempting to win yet more of their favor. Such candidates often acquire excessive wealth during their lapdog tenures practically rubbing it in our faces (how much wealth have the "public servants" the Clintons acquired again, and from whom?)
The honest candidate, not swayed by or wiling to be used by by an uncontrolled group that worships at the altar of greed often lives a relatively normal lifestyle, not depending on acquiring wealth in order to achieve their version of a happy life, again which candidate more closely represents this lifestyle?
I have told you of tactics as old as the existence of extreme wealth at the expense of others. In your hearts the signs of their use are evident, some would say axiomatic.
I have also told you of some common traits of leaders on the side of the populace.
There is enough for you to decide for yourself which side you are on. And who is on your side as well.
choose well.
Then attempt to foster hatred of each group against the other is harmful not just to the process but to the innocent people they are trying to divide into racial political wars, even if it is only an attempt to do so temporarily (as they likely tell themselves), just until an election is won, it is deplorable behavior and often seen used by hate groups across the globe.
This is becoming a pattern from the Clinton Campaign.
Incredibly well-respected surrogates sent out to attack Bernie or his supporters, get some pushback, accuse Sanders and his supporters of racism and/or sexism for pointing out the smear isn't true. It's sickening and cynical and divisive. I expect this stuff from Repugs- this divisiveness from the Clinton camp is heartbreaking.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511300567#post4.
Brock is a big part of this (pit one poor race against another) in order to win victories designed to profit the wealthy at the expense of all the people that will suffer under their trickle down neoliberal policies which will harm all of us struggling people no matter the race, but those that hire them also have a history of agitating people to hate by race and so are just as, if not more, accountable for such deplorable tactics.
It is a tactic often used by the wealthy in order to keep the power and money while continuing to steal even more in the face of glaring wide spread wealth disparity across all racial and social lines, In war the tactic is called divide and conquer, the wealthy have throughout history done this at the point where the difference between the rich and poor becomes widespread and apparent.
A true leader on the other hand, one that wants to help all the people historically tries to bring all the people together to fight the aristocracy.
It is clear which candidate is following which tactic, just as it is clear which candidate is little more than the puppet of the wealthy and attempting to win yet more of their favor. Such candidates often acquire excessive wealth during their lapdog tenures practically rubbing it in our faces (how much wealth have the "public servants" the Clintons acquired again, and from whom?)
The honest candidate, not swayed by or wiling to be used by by an uncontrolled group that worships at the altar of greed often lives a relatively normal lifestyle, not depending on acquiring wealth in order to achieve their version of a happy life, again which candidate more closely represents this lifestyle?
I have told you of tactics as old as the existence of extreme wealth at the expense of others. In your hearts the signs of their use are evident, some would say axiomatic.
I have also told you of some common traits of leaders on the side of the populace.
There is enough for you to decide for yourself which side you are on. And who is on your side as well.
choose well.
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Amimnoch
Mar 2016
#15
Yeah. I figured it out further down-thread. "Hymietown" revisited. What a shock.
Smarmie Doofus
Mar 2016
#130
It was barely ever below the surface, ready to boil up, predicable as hell. /nt
Dragonfli
Mar 2016
#141
Why is someone laughing in your face for making this sincere, beautiful comment?
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#132
The first question to which I need an answer before I accept this apology...
Android3.14
Mar 2016
#30
I saw the timeline of those convos and other posts by you .......... you were there. nt.
polly7
Mar 2016
#127
I'm not the one who was caught posting vile anti-Semitic hate speech at a right wing site.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#382
That post was up for months and they still claim it wasn't anti-Semitic.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#363
How long someone has been here has no bearing on the wrongness your own actions.
revbones
Mar 2016
#256
As I said, not until she acknowledges the statements were factually incorrect
Android3.14
Mar 2016
#46
Neutral observation: If you had brave on ignore, how can you see this thread?
ScreamingMeemie
Mar 2016
#205
Bravenak is only apologizing for that specific post. Android is asking her about the many others
riderinthestorm
Mar 2016
#69
Why not fill the thread up with all of the rest of them and you all discuss them
bravenak
Mar 2016
#71
As gracious as Bravenak has been in scores, maybe hundreds of threads and pms?
merrily
Mar 2016
#268
This never ending tiresome argument where an observer of racism must ALWAYS use the word
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#194
No, you obviously did NOT read what I wrote or we wouldn't be arguing.
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#206
If she was not putting forth that she thought these things applied as a general rule...
thesquanderer
Mar 2016
#361
We are not on the same page at all. I did not indicate any of the things you have posted.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2016
#276
I am not sure I know what this is about but I gather some hints in the responses.
CTyankee
Mar 2016
#42
Not sure what it was exactly other than some excerpts which were posted above.
Dustlawyer
Mar 2016
#47
Juror #2 gets it. That was a horrendous troll who's registered three times to post
PeaceNikki
Mar 2016
#89
Your first post is anti-Semitic and divisive. Not an auspicious beginning for you at DU.
Zen Democrat
Mar 2016
#62
Apologizing only to those who are willing to immediately forgive isn't apologizing at all.....
Indepatriot
Mar 2016
#87
So, you're standing by "His fans are racists who run around calling Blacks racists".....really?
Indepatriot
Mar 2016
#108
So do you count yourself among those with the tendencies? Or are you the exception to that rule? n/t
kcr
Mar 2016
#164
I tend to take people at their word when they accidentally expose their bigotry.
RedCappedBandit
Mar 2016
#76
Like all those folks here who rec'd the WillyT threads about Stockholm Syndrome?
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#143
I've been on DU for about 14 years. This primary season is probably one of the ugliest...
Raster
Mar 2016
#103
If only everyone on DU could come out and say they are not saints and never considered themselves
Rex
Mar 2016
#294
You seem to like a lot of attention. This seen like another post showing that. nt
Logical
Mar 2016
#121
People sometimes say things in the heat of the moment that do not reflect their true feelings.
LiberalArkie
Mar 2016
#137
The 'heat of the moment'? Bollocks. This was the revelation of deep-seated hatred...
truebrit71
Mar 2016
#217
We all have faults. I am glad you apologized and I hope forgiveness comes from this.
hrmjustin
Mar 2016
#150
I once thought you were above this crap, I even respected you when first you joined
Dragonfli
Mar 2016
#178
But it is not just those words, it is the fact that the speaker of them has conducted herself as
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2016
#210
I have no idea why you think I need to apologize for shit Hillary said or did
bravenak
Mar 2016
#289
And there comes the truth, bellowing forth. You are author of much of DU's shit.
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2016
#399
Remember Will Pitt and POSUCS? He was hounded off DU even after he apologized
riderinthestorm
Mar 2016
#378
Own your shit. Full accounting. Forgiveness and forgetting are not the same things.
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2016
#272
Must be a weird list if people who are big enough to apologize are on it
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#277
But we have been promised to by many, again MANY that no way Hillary gets their votes.
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#284
I think you missed the part in her ugly post where she flatly stated she doesn't even like Hillary
Bread and Circus
Mar 2016
#311
I don't think she likes Hillary and if I remember correctly she has said as much in other posts.
Bread and Circus
Mar 2016
#346
An apology asks for forgivness; forgiveness needs not ask for anything.
Elmer S. E. Dump
Mar 2016
#371
Are you sorry for what you said? For your blatant anti-semitic rant? Or are you like my ex who was
jillan
Mar 2016
#409