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(29,798 posts)191. If it isn't about him then what's at the root of your vile behavior?
Non-apology apology
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A non-apology apology or nonpology is a statement that has the form of an apology but does not express the expected contrition. It is common in both politics and public relations. It most commonly entails the speaker saying that he or she is sorry not for a behavior, statement or misdeed, but rather is sorry only because a person who has been aggrieved is requesting the apology, expressing a grievance, or is threatening some form of retribution or retaliation.
An example of a non-apology apology would be saying "I'm sorry that you feel that way" to someone who has been offended by a statement. This apology does not admit that there was anything wrong with the remarks made, and additionally, it may be taken as insinuating that the person taking offense was excessively thin-skinned or irrational in taking offense at the remarks in the first place. Another form of non-apology is one which does not apologize directly to the person who was injured or insulted, but instead offers a generic apology "to anyone who might have been offended."[1]
Statements that use the word "sorry" but do not express responsibility for wrongdoing may be meaningful expressions of regret, but such statements can also be used to elicit forgiveness without acknowledging fault.[2]
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As a tactic[edit]
Typologies of apology note that apologies cover a range of situations and degrees of regret, remorse, and contrition, and that success is to be gauged by the result of the apology rather than the degree of contrition involved. Deborah Levi offers the following possibilities:
While the non-apology apology is clearly unsuited to situations where an expression of remorse, contrition, and future change are obviously desirable (e.g. the "happy ending" apology), it may prove extremely useful in situations where little can be done to assuage the apparent offence or prevent its repetition, as when an airline apologises for a delay, in the full knowledge that a future repetition is inevitable. Such tactical apologies may have beneficial effects simply through the validation of the emotions of the offended party: they answer the basic human need for disagreeable emotions to be recognised and acknowledged as important, while protecting the apparently offending party from an expression of remorse.[20] Negotiators often use this tactic to calm tense situations: "an apology can defuse emotions effectively, even when you do not acknowledge personal responsibility for the action or admit an intention to harm. An apology may be one of the least costly and most rewarding investments you can make."[21]
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A non-apology apology or nonpology is a statement that has the form of an apology but does not express the expected contrition. It is common in both politics and public relations. It most commonly entails the speaker saying that he or she is sorry not for a behavior, statement or misdeed, but rather is sorry only because a person who has been aggrieved is requesting the apology, expressing a grievance, or is threatening some form of retribution or retaliation.
An example of a non-apology apology would be saying "I'm sorry that you feel that way" to someone who has been offended by a statement. This apology does not admit that there was anything wrong with the remarks made, and additionally, it may be taken as insinuating that the person taking offense was excessively thin-skinned or irrational in taking offense at the remarks in the first place. Another form of non-apology is one which does not apologize directly to the person who was injured or insulted, but instead offers a generic apology "to anyone who might have been offended."[1]
Statements that use the word "sorry" but do not express responsibility for wrongdoing may be meaningful expressions of regret, but such statements can also be used to elicit forgiveness without acknowledging fault.[2]
<snip>
As a tactic[edit]
Typologies of apology note that apologies cover a range of situations and degrees of regret, remorse, and contrition, and that success is to be gauged by the result of the apology rather than the degree of contrition involved. Deborah Levi offers the following possibilities:
Tactical apologywhen a person accused of wrongdoing offers an apology that is rhetorical and strategicand not necessary heartfelt
Explanation apologywhen a person accused of wrongdoing offers an apology that is merely a gesture that is meant to counter an accusation of wrongdoing. In fact, it may be used to defend the actions of the accused
Formalistic apologywhen a person accused of wrongdoing offers an apology after being admonished to do so by an authority figurewho may also be the individual who suffered the wrongdoing
Happy ending apologywhen a person accused of wrongdoing fully acknowledges responsibility for the wrongdoing and is genuinely remorseful
Pretty Girl Trick"With great privilege comes an equally great ability to be irresponsible and yet succeed, be cared about, get out of jail free (...) Sorry is always saying please still like me. Doing better is more like deserving it."
While the non-apology apology is clearly unsuited to situations where an expression of remorse, contrition, and future change are obviously desirable (e.g. the "happy ending" apology), it may prove extremely useful in situations where little can be done to assuage the apparent offence or prevent its repetition, as when an airline apologises for a delay, in the full knowledge that a future repetition is inevitable. Such tactical apologies may have beneficial effects simply through the validation of the emotions of the offended party: they answer the basic human need for disagreeable emotions to be recognised and acknowledged as important, while protecting the apparently offending party from an expression of remorse.[20] Negotiators often use this tactic to calm tense situations: "an apology can defuse emotions effectively, even when you do not acknowledge personal responsibility for the action or admit an intention to harm. An apology may be one of the least costly and most rewarding investments you can make."[21]
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Amimnoch
Mar 2016
#15
Yeah. I figured it out further down-thread. "Hymietown" revisited. What a shock.
Smarmie Doofus
Mar 2016
#130
It was barely ever below the surface, ready to boil up, predicable as hell. /nt
Dragonfli
Mar 2016
#141
Why is someone laughing in your face for making this sincere, beautiful comment?
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#132
The first question to which I need an answer before I accept this apology...
Android3.14
Mar 2016
#30
I saw the timeline of those convos and other posts by you .......... you were there. nt.
polly7
Mar 2016
#127
I'm not the one who was caught posting vile anti-Semitic hate speech at a right wing site.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#382
That post was up for months and they still claim it wasn't anti-Semitic.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2016
#363
How long someone has been here has no bearing on the wrongness your own actions.
revbones
Mar 2016
#256
As I said, not until she acknowledges the statements were factually incorrect
Android3.14
Mar 2016
#46
Neutral observation: If you had brave on ignore, how can you see this thread?
ScreamingMeemie
Mar 2016
#205
Bravenak is only apologizing for that specific post. Android is asking her about the many others
riderinthestorm
Mar 2016
#69
Why not fill the thread up with all of the rest of them and you all discuss them
bravenak
Mar 2016
#71
As gracious as Bravenak has been in scores, maybe hundreds of threads and pms?
merrily
Mar 2016
#268
This never ending tiresome argument where an observer of racism must ALWAYS use the word
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#194
No, you obviously did NOT read what I wrote or we wouldn't be arguing.
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#206
If she was not putting forth that she thought these things applied as a general rule...
thesquanderer
Mar 2016
#361
We are not on the same page at all. I did not indicate any of the things you have posted.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2016
#276
I am not sure I know what this is about but I gather some hints in the responses.
CTyankee
Mar 2016
#42
Not sure what it was exactly other than some excerpts which were posted above.
Dustlawyer
Mar 2016
#47
Juror #2 gets it. That was a horrendous troll who's registered three times to post
PeaceNikki
Mar 2016
#89
Your first post is anti-Semitic and divisive. Not an auspicious beginning for you at DU.
Zen Democrat
Mar 2016
#62
Apologizing only to those who are willing to immediately forgive isn't apologizing at all.....
Indepatriot
Mar 2016
#87
So, you're standing by "His fans are racists who run around calling Blacks racists".....really?
Indepatriot
Mar 2016
#108
So do you count yourself among those with the tendencies? Or are you the exception to that rule? n/t
kcr
Mar 2016
#164
I tend to take people at their word when they accidentally expose their bigotry.
RedCappedBandit
Mar 2016
#76
Like all those folks here who rec'd the WillyT threads about Stockholm Syndrome?
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#143
I've been on DU for about 14 years. This primary season is probably one of the ugliest...
Raster
Mar 2016
#103
If only everyone on DU could come out and say they are not saints and never considered themselves
Rex
Mar 2016
#294
You seem to like a lot of attention. This seen like another post showing that. nt
Logical
Mar 2016
#121
People sometimes say things in the heat of the moment that do not reflect their true feelings.
LiberalArkie
Mar 2016
#137
The 'heat of the moment'? Bollocks. This was the revelation of deep-seated hatred...
truebrit71
Mar 2016
#217
We all have faults. I am glad you apologized and I hope forgiveness comes from this.
hrmjustin
Mar 2016
#150
I once thought you were above this crap, I even respected you when first you joined
Dragonfli
Mar 2016
#178
But it is not just those words, it is the fact that the speaker of them has conducted herself as
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2016
#210
I have no idea why you think I need to apologize for shit Hillary said or did
bravenak
Mar 2016
#289
And there comes the truth, bellowing forth. You are author of much of DU's shit.
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2016
#399
Remember Will Pitt and POSUCS? He was hounded off DU even after he apologized
riderinthestorm
Mar 2016
#378
Own your shit. Full accounting. Forgiveness and forgetting are not the same things.
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2016
#272
Must be a weird list if people who are big enough to apologize are on it
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#277
But we have been promised to by many, again MANY that no way Hillary gets their votes.
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#284
I think you missed the part in her ugly post where she flatly stated she doesn't even like Hillary
Bread and Circus
Mar 2016
#311
I don't think she likes Hillary and if I remember correctly she has said as much in other posts.
Bread and Circus
Mar 2016
#346
An apology asks for forgivness; forgiveness needs not ask for anything.
Elmer S. E. Dump
Mar 2016
#371
Are you sorry for what you said? For your blatant anti-semitic rant? Or are you like my ex who was
jillan
Mar 2016
#409