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TreasonousBastard

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19. Likely there is some dirty business going on, but...

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:33 PM

Mar 2016

it could be largely a less suspicious fuckup.

I'm a pollworker here, and collect petitions, do a bunch of GOTV and other low lever stuff. First problem is that many people don't eve nknow how they are registered. One friend of mine was actually surprised when I had him registered as a Republican. He said he once was, but thought he changed it.

Every election we get a few people who aren't registered the way they think they are. If registered at all.

And that's here in the NYC suburbs, where things are reasonably straight and properly done. But far from perfect.

So, depending on the Arizona county, it could be simply incompetence.

Not that that's any better, but it does have a better chance of being dealt with than charges of corruption.

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Something Is Going Seriously Wrong at Arizona Polls Today [View all] Mira Mar 2016 OP

There's only one word for this! retrowire Mar 2016 #1

Yep. Heard something very similar on Thom Hartmann yesterday. I believe the LoisB Mar 2016 #3

Yup! Thom said that this might be intentional disenfranchisement of the voter. Interesting that it Akamai Mar 2016 #8

Or kcdoug1 Mar 2016 #10

it's voter suppression AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #23

YES IT IS VOTER SUPPRESSION and it benefited who on the Dem side? Hmmm mariawr Mar 2016 #81

Hillary SciFiRK Mar 2016 #83

technically the word is "disenfranchisement" Skittles Mar 2016 #11

Exactly so. suffragette Mar 2016 #59

^THIS^ yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #106

well I'm sure Hitler would be proud :( PatrynXX Mar 2016 #31

Are you trying to get banned? SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #90

no but since hillary supporters have already PatrynXX Mar 2016 #95

technically depends on 1. whats been said that day thus my mood 2. PatrynXX Mar 2016 #99

See: George II Mar 2016 #74

"provisional ballots" Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #2

If the margin of victory is 10k, they are not going to count 5k provisional ballots. Travis_0004 Mar 2016 #42

It could change the Delegate apportionment. This is not the general winner take all situation. FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #93

People can go to the AZ Sec. of State's website DesertRat Mar 2016 #62

Glad to see progress being made with these ballots. Baitball Blogger Mar 2016 #70

IMO, they should shut the AZ primary down & reschedule. n:t PADemD Mar 2016 #4

Do any other states do what California does? Retrograde Mar 2016 #5

Indiana provides a sample ballot online. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #13

I was able to find that online the last time around here in New York Rhiannon12866 Mar 2016 #32

So while the ballots are online, they're not proactively sent out to voters? Retrograde Mar 2016 #45

Not in my experience. Rhiannon12866 Mar 2016 #48

I'm similarly non-denominational ArcticFox Mar 2016 #50

If you're "non-denominational" (I take that as being an Independent?) you can't vote in the primary. George II Mar 2016 #75

In California I can ArcticFox Mar 2016 #79

I thought you were talking about Arizona. My mistake. George II Mar 2016 #80

Closed primaries are restricted to your registered political party affliliation. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #136

Independent meaning no party affiliation. George II Mar 2016 #138

Upper case Independent Party they could vote but not in the Democratic or Republican. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #139

I've received sample ballots in the past in Florida, but don't recall getting one this year. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2016 #71

I got one this year (Florida) n/t Amaril Mar 2016 #102

AZ sends out a voters booklet. former9thward Mar 2016 #109

I heard on Thom Hartmann today that people who had changed their registration to "Democrat" dflprincess Mar 2016 #6

That would be a false statement. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #14

Thank you dflprincess Mar 2016 #20

What might happen in states with primaries is setting a different date. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #24

Oh it was without a doubt intentional and so very far from circumstantial. Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #7

I have my original Oregon voter's registration card passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #9

Every state does it differently. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #15

If party doesn't matter, then don't put it on the card passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #25

Oregon is very special in this regard. jhart3333 Mar 2016 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #29

AZ votes by mail. former9thward Mar 2016 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #113

In AZ you only have to request it one time. former9thward Mar 2016 #116

see post 6 (nt) a2liberal Mar 2016 #30

Yes, I caught that after I posted passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #39

Still got my from '92... sitting next to a zippo. Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #35

In Washington the State, anyone can walk into a caucus and sign in as a Democrat. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #88

and Arizona is to close to call. a kennedy Mar 2016 #12

People need a civics lesson about their own state's voting process. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #16

Some other people need a reading comprehension lesson (nt) a2liberal Mar 2016 #33

I don't think this will be an issue in Pima County (Tucson et all) OffWithTheirHeads Mar 2016 #17

Why would you want to insult Kentucky/Kentuckians like that? concreteblue Mar 2016 #65

Heads had better fucking roll over this. n/t bvf Mar 2016 #18

Likely there is some dirty business going on, but... TreasonousBastard Mar 2016 #19

Time To Go To War??? billhicks76 Mar 2016 #21

People Died For The Right To Vote billhicks76 Mar 2016 #22

maybe people should pay attention to the caucus rules drray23 Mar 2016 #27

Maybe people should pay attention to the article they're commenting on (nt) a2liberal Mar 2016 #34

Nice argument. What if that don't work? Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #40

Everyone should have just voted early, as they can in Arizona. pnwmom Mar 2016 #54

yeah, blame the victim. nt. druidity33 Mar 2016 #135

Might be shenanigans now WolverineDG Mar 2016 #28

Maricopa County, where Phoenix is, reduced its voting locations azretired Mar 2016 #36

Independents should not vote in party primaries. former9thward Mar 2016 #111

id love a big fat lawsuit out of this allan01 Mar 2016 #37

They are Rethuglicans. We are playing dodgeball with Mafia hit men EOM The Green Manalishi Mar 2016 #38

AZ went down from about 200 polling places Boldine Mar 2016 #41

No, independent voters cannot vote today in Arizona. Ptah Mar 2016 #43

Sorry typo - you are 100% correct. Boldine Mar 2016 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #46

Same problems in Michigan, but those don't count, Pathwalker Mar 2016 #47

More info on Michigan a2liberal Mar 2016 #55

My point was that the problems were mostly where voters were Pathwalker Mar 2016 #100

What's the problem? A few irregularities here and there --- Hoppy Mar 2016 #49

Same old same old U.S. election fraud. nt valerief Mar 2016 #51

Every time I see posts like this after Bernie loses redstateblues Mar 2016 #52

The Truth is Out There! Cryptoad Mar 2016 #57

I'm sure it's just a coincidence deutsey Mar 2016 #69

LOL farleftlib Mar 2016 #72

Did you also hear it when Dems lost to Republicans for election fraud? cui bono Mar 2016 #117

Every time this happens it seems to be bad for those on the political left. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #53

As Val above said, Same old U.S. Election fraud, plus suppression of vote. mariawr Mar 2016 #84

We just got done voting Pakhet Mar 2016 #56

Atrocious! 200 polling places reduced to SIXTY??? WTF? Hulk Mar 2016 #58

They have doing that in all red states. Here in Indiana I now have to travel 20 miles to vote, B Calm Mar 2016 #77

That's infuriating! cui bono Mar 2016 #118

We are a banana republic awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #60

Today was not a Primary DesertRat Mar 2016 #61

Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #63

was wonding when I would see her on here portrayed as Tricky Dick. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #85

Intentional sabotage? Just before Clinton claims victory? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #64

Maricopa County Recorder... Gumboot Mar 2016 #66

Disgusting deutsey Mar 2016 #67

Our Voting Procedures Are A Joke colsohlibgal Mar 2016 #68

Not true. Just about as many people voted in Arizona's primaries yesterday as voted in previous.... George II Mar 2016 #73

So you're content with that? retrowire Mar 2016 #82

What I'm "content" with is that there wasn't wide-spread, rampant voter suppression. There is.... George II Mar 2016 #89

On the basis of one OP here you are able to establish that Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #119

Considering that the overall turnout was very close to an all-time record in Arizona........ George II Mar 2016 #125

But isn"t that precisely the point? Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #130

The Arizona registered voter numbers include registered Independents, who were not permitted... George II Mar 2016 #131

Yeah. I wonder how many first-time voters, perhaps only recently moved to want to vote, Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #132

I've lived in 4 states, and one of the first things I did each time I moved was find out.... George II Mar 2016 #137

Unless there are a lot of new voters coming in to vote, likely for Bernie, and could not. Then this FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #94

Check that link again - it has 2016 registered voters AND those from previous even number years... George II Mar 2016 #96

Bernie supporters were concened their data base for AZ was hacked. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #76

You know they hacked it. Why not? All the more reason to mariawr Mar 2016 #78

Arizona- disenfranchises their primary by limiting people to political party on their registration. Sunlei Mar 2016 #86

And it enfranchises people by providing for early voting and mail-in voting Retrograde Mar 2016 #108

White House Petition for Investigation of AZ Voter/Election Fraud KPN Mar 2016 #87

Done, thanks 4 link, 48000+ signers, chknltl Mar 2016 #107

White House Petition for Investigation of AZ Voter/Election Fraud LowOiL Mar 2016 #114

The trick is making it harder for Ds to vote in the primary stopbush Mar 2016 #91

Are you saying that in AZ where an (I) seeks to change to (D) Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #121

No. stopbush Mar 2016 #122

Ok. You said (R)s run AZ's primaries. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #124

Of course this shit was intentional.... blackspade Mar 2016 #92

if the GOP ran state of Arizona ... artyteacher Mar 2016 #97

For all the Clinton supporters defending this incompetence - or 'whatever' it was polly7 Mar 2016 #98

Brian Sanderoff, political consultant in NM, says Hilary wins here. The primary is not until June! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #101

According to this only 20 people called and complained about not being allowed to vote Takket Mar 2016 #103

USuncut is ran by BernieBros... giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #104

I was wondering cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #105

they'll get to oppose the candidate that people won't stand in line to vote for MisterP Mar 2016 #120

That doesn't make any sense cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #127

people stand in line for Sanders, and mail-in early for Clinton MisterP Mar 2016 #128

Well.. cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #129

This is what it will look like in November no matter who the Democratic nominee is. Ford_Prefect Mar 2016 #112

will there be attacks on counting fraud by the GOP? pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #115

Kick! BeanMusical Mar 2016 #123

No there isn't. A woman is being nominated. That's all that matters. nt MadDAsHell Mar 2016 #126

Report Voter Fraud and Suppression onogirl Mar 2016 #133

Sign 2 Petitions for Voter Fraud and Suppression onogirl Mar 2016 #134

I think this is what you're looking for: Rhiannon12866 Mar 2016 #140