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171. Hackers didn't exist back then. Homosexuals did.

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:32 PM

Mar 2016

And christian dominated societies persecuted them for a couple thousand years after Jesus came and went, and some are still trying.

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Why the double standard with Abrahamic religion? [View all] Matrosov Mar 2016 OP

Because Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #1

and (4) They know Muslims as neighbors and coworkers and like them Warpy Mar 2016 #6

Exactly bravenak Mar 2016 #29

People also have Christian or Jewish neighbors and coworkers Matrosov Mar 2016 #71

I see nothing hysterical in that post. Nichevo11 Mar 2016 #95

"Some of my best friends are?" Warpy Mar 2016 #104

I responded directly to your preceding post, Nichevo11 Mar 2016 #108

You summed that up much more concisely than Marr Mar 2016 #15

THIS!!!!! get the red out Mar 2016 #101

Intelligent vs. stupid is not a double standard. HassleCat Mar 2016 #2

Not when it's the religions themselves which make people violent Albertoo Mar 2016 #4

You mean like Christianity? Warpy Mar 2016 #8

Christianity too is loony, yes, why do you ask? Albertoo Mar 2016 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueSpot Mar 2016 #24

Thing is, Fred Phelps will never have real power in the US. Marr Mar 2016 #16

That's for sure. He is dead. HERVEPA Mar 2016 #34

You just made the OP's point leftynyc Mar 2016 #62

Thank you. cwydro Mar 2016 #86

Going off the rails is what they're instructed to do Matrosov Mar 2016 #70

"off the rails" trotsky Mar 2016 #82

plenty of them. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #180

Agreed. All Abrahamic religions are horrible at their core. killbotfactory Mar 2016 #3

Yep. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is horrible stuff. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #9

Yeah, because those are the ONLY beliefs Christianity pushes, right? Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #27

I was thinking more of the explicit endorsement of genocide, slavery, homophobia, and misogyny. nt killbotfactory Mar 2016 #53

Ah yes. What's that Gospel verse where Jesus condemns homosexuals? Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #55

Christianity is more than the gospels. nt killbotfactory Mar 2016 #56

Leviticus Matrosov Mar 2016 #72

To me the Old Testament is a load of fire-and-brimstone nonsense. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #73

Key words in your post: "To me" trotsky Mar 2016 #84

Which major religion do you think is the most homophobic? (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #88

Punting on my challenge, eh? I understand. trotsky Mar 2016 #90

Difficult to decide Matrosov Mar 2016 #193

It is your co-religionists who need reminding of that most whatthehey Mar 2016 #89

Ah. Paulians. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #106

Where did Jesus condemn the biblical laws against homosexuality that were in place at the time? killbotfactory Mar 2016 #110

Jesus never condemned hacking into computer systems. trotsky Mar 2016 #146

Hackers didn't exist back then. Homosexuals did. killbotfactory Mar 2016 #171

Even though you are correct Matrosov Mar 2016 #194

Millions of dead indigenous people wished that Christians would have "turned the other cheek." a la izquierda Mar 2016 #80

Yep, the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades come up regularly in these threads. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #83

How about the IRA, then. REP Mar 2016 #167

If the UK happened to be a Catholic country the Irish would still have wanted the British out. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #169

Ha ha ha ha ha REP Mar 2016 #170

Hmmmm. That's a thought-provoking rebuttal. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #172

Maybe has something to do with the fact Muslims are a targeted minority in the US. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #5

True. Criticism of religions gets mixed up with socio-political issues. Albertoo Mar 2016 #13

It's totally unfair to criticize the 1.6 billion Muslims for the actions of Binkie The Clown Mar 2016 #49

I'm sure screaming about Islam on DU really shows 'em. n/t Scootaloo Mar 2016 #50

I'm quite sure that saying anything about anything on DU is utterly pointless... Binkie The Clown Mar 2016 #52

10% of 1.6B is 160M not 160K FreedomRain Mar 2016 #54

What makes an extremist to you? Advocating stoning to death for adultery? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #96

Yes FreedomRain Mar 2016 #109

Yes, the maths definitely didn't work muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #112

Did you mean 160 Million extremists? FrodosPet Mar 2016 #61

Thats some pretty bad math you got there philosslayer Mar 2016 #98

Well put. It's OK to be religio-phobic Albertoo Mar 2016 #7

Well.... they do add some value once in a while. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #10

I wouldn't credit religion for that Albertoo Mar 2016 #12

so it is pure accident that some of the largest charities in the world are religious charities. kwassa Mar 2016 #47

It is a legacy of times when everyone (had to) believe(d) Albertoo Mar 2016 #48

Catholic Charities is still one of the very largest charities in the US. kwassa Mar 2016 #93

Because up to very recently, most Americans were believers Albertoo Mar 2016 #125

which means that 78% are still believers. kwassa Mar 2016 #137

Sure, there still will be believers for some time to come. Albertoo Mar 2016 #141

"Religions have no demonstrated value added to this world" kwassa Mar 2016 #18

Actually, slavers stood on firmer ground, Biblically speaking, than did the Marr Mar 2016 #20

Bullshit. This is simply your assertion. kwassa Mar 2016 #23

The Bible condones slavery. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #28

Not exactly. kwassa Mar 2016 #36

The Bible unambiguously condones slavery. Marr Mar 2016 #57

I just gave you an example that showed how it came down on both sides kwassa Mar 2016 #94

I don't think you did at all. Marr Mar 2016 #100

Sorry, your idea that slavers are on firmer biblical ground is your personal interpretation. kwassa Mar 2016 #136

If the Bible is, as you claim, ambiguous on the subject of slavery... Marr Mar 2016 #149

No. Your litmus test is not my litmus test. kwassa Mar 2016 #158

My litmus test is dispassionate logic and honest reading of the Bible's very plain words. Marr Mar 2016 #161

Your litmus test is subjectively yours. kwassa Mar 2016 #168

No, statements like this are not subjective: Marr Mar 2016 #173

I have a Maundy Thursday service to go to. kwassa Mar 2016 #174

The bible can "condone" whatever you need it to condone Scootaloo Mar 2016 #41

I can promise you, folks that keep their belief system away from my neck are okay. Rex Mar 2016 #14

I'm not Islamophobic...I disrespct all religions. brooklynite Mar 2016 #17

I do to, all around the world. I believe people tend to hope more then despair. Rex Mar 2016 #19

AND away from my pu**y! zigby Mar 2016 #58

Good point seanjoycek476 Mar 2016 #21

All religion harms humanity. nt valerief Mar 2016 #22

Some seem to harm humanity on a more regular basis than others (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #25

In this country, Christianity has been a scourge. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #30

Wrong, again. kwassa Mar 2016 #44

While I agree that some has been damaging nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #183

they're all nuttery Skittles Mar 2016 #26

Religion needs a good ass kicking. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #31

especially the radicalized Episcopalians Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #85

There would be no Western civilization without religion. kwassa Mar 2016 #32

Bull. Moral behavior does not come from religion. Ridiculous. HERVEPA Mar 2016 #35

Which is why religion spends so much time teaching it ..... kwassa Mar 2016 #37

Studies have shown atheists to be on average more moral than religionists HERVEPA Mar 2016 #39

So you assert. kwassa Mar 2016 #45

Here you go. There are a ton more of these. HERVEPA Mar 2016 #64

Tell me... Marr Mar 2016 #60

Not taken literally, but taken seriously. kwassa Mar 2016 #92

Right and wrong should be and generally is innate. Religion mostly just tries to control people. HERVEPA Mar 2016 #99

That's your opinion. kwassa Mar 2016 #140

Well, thank you for your generosity, oh beneficent one. HERVEPA Mar 2016 #179

Anytime kwassa Mar 2016 #189

Literally, seriously, use any word you like. Marr Mar 2016 #103

Ahh... TipTok Mar 2016 #121

What part of the your religion-teaches-morality model truebluegreen Mar 2016 #135

The part where the priests don't follow that morality. kwassa Mar 2016 #138

So the church deserves credit for what men do truebluegreen Mar 2016 #182

Incorrect. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #40

Since we both like words, I fear you inverted morals and ethics ;) Albertoo Mar 2016 #43

Yep even animals can show basic compassion and empathy. zigby Mar 2016 #59

fact free arguments are still fact free no matter how angry you get Bucky Mar 2016 #87

Yeah, that's not true... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #155

Sure, there are DOZENS of non-religious ethical systems, but all are pre-dated by religious ones Bucky Mar 2016 #175

Not every religion has a preexisting ethical system attached to them... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #177

LOL Skittles Mar 2016 #63

I'd dispute that religion was "a unifying and universal structure" for the Roman civilisation muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #102

I was actually thinking of later years in Europe. .. kwassa Mar 2016 #159

Which religion? Current Western civilization is largely a sprout that started with the Roman... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #156

You can speculate to your heart's content ... kwassa Mar 2016 #160

Uh, what am i missing? Are not these three religions Abrahamic?? Didn't all stem from Jitter65 Mar 2016 #33

I'm not sure what you're missing Matrosov Mar 2016 #132

US has dropped 23,000 bombs in 7 Muslim countries in 2015 kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #38

Since when are the actions of the US Government guided by religion? Albertoo Mar 2016 #42

Maybe we should ask Lt. Gen William Boykin Orrex Mar 2016 #65

That's all you've got? A general who's been reprimanded at that? Albertoo Mar 2016 #68

All you got is an irrelevant and ignored 250 year old treaty Orrex Mar 2016 #69

An international treaty by the US governement, written by its founding fathers Albertoo Mar 2016 #74

Sure, except in theory, practice and reality Orrex Mar 2016 #78

I've got international treaties plus the Constitution (the wall of separation) Albertoo Mar 2016 #81

"The wall of separation" is not in the Constitution Orrex Mar 2016 #91

Actually the Supreme Court has cited Jefferson's "wall of separation" phrase several times Bucky Mar 2016 #122

I suspect that knowing you in real life is akin to having some kind of hemorrhaging lesion Orrex Mar 2016 #127

!!!! Bucky Mar 2016 #128

Onward, Christian soldier. Orrex Mar 2016 #131

Although Orrex is terribly wrong in this conversation, that treaty isn't a valid example Bucky Mar 2016 #120

I would agree relying on the Tripoli Treaty alone is stretching things a bit Albertoo Mar 2016 #133

"roughly half of which were vaguely deists" -- nope Bucky Mar 2016 #143

Sorry, I should have qualified Albertoo Mar 2016 #150

Since "born-again" President George W. Bush launched a "crusade" (his words) against Iraq YoungDemCA Mar 2016 #162

Individuals are not institutions, the Constitution is secular Albertoo Mar 2016 #164

Who said anything about a theocracy? YoungDemCA Mar 2016 #165

Oh, right, imprecision in the word I used Albertoo Mar 2016 #166

Is President Obama authorizing any military action in the name of the Christian God? Matrosov Mar 2016 #130

Criticizing Islam or Threatening Muslims? Meteor Man Mar 2016 #46

"Have you tried criticizing Netanyahu on a college campus or on-line forum recently?" oberliner Mar 2016 #66

I'm against all bad things done in the name of invisible Sky Dudes NightWatcher Mar 2016 #51

Me too. Except that some bad things are much worse than other bad things. Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #144

Where exactly is the condemnation of the slaughter of Palestinians and malaise Mar 2016 #67

Book publishers can't even print maps for school history books. Octafish Mar 2016 #76

My grandma used to say take care when pointing fingers malaise Mar 2016 #77

that map supports the OPs contention Mosby Mar 2016 #126

Really? That's how my own eyes remember the map changing over the years. Octafish Mar 2016 #152

you know who was a big believer in eugenics? Mosby Mar 2016 #154

Yeah. I wrote about her on DU in 2004. Octafish Mar 2016 #157

Ugh, I hate straw man arguments. STOP making stuff up in order to have an argument Bucky Mar 2016 #75

Probably because there's a wave of islamaphobia, ShrimpPoboy Mar 2016 #79

I have no idea why it exists. I have no idea why Abraham's God gets any respect at all. Coventina Mar 2016 #97

There wasn't any last-minute intervention Mariana Mar 2016 #114

Which is, of course, because God hated females more than just about anything else on Earth n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #134

It is not the religions, it's us. We are the problem. bemildred Mar 2016 #105

Don't exect many DUers to have a rational response Democat Mar 2016 #107

+1. Ill just leave this here: mr_liberal Mar 2016 #111

Wow. I wish you would start a thread with this video TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2016 #115

As progressives we're supposed to hate Christianity and Judaism. ileus Mar 2016 #113

I hate all three of those religions. I don't hate their believers, though. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #148

Because hatred for Republicans clouds their thinking. TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2016 #116

Surely you must understand that, in an era dominated by right-wing xenophobia Maedhros Mar 2016 #117

Those talking points are completely different however Matrosov Mar 2016 #124

Yet, surely, when you make posts broad-brushing Muslims and Islam as misogynistic, homophobic, Maedhros Mar 2016 #151

All Abrahamic religions are violent and terrible. Deadshot Mar 2016 #118

what a delightfully nuanced opinion Bucky Mar 2016 #123

Because a baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #139

Christians in Uganda (funded by Christians in US and elsewhere) killing gay people for being gay.... Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #147

Yep. Deadshot Mar 2016 #153

let's be fair, those are asshole Christians on the right steve2470 Mar 2016 #181

Recently an Egyptian lawmaker was fired. Nichevo11 Mar 2016 #119

Some liberals have trouble distinguishing between valid criticism and actual bigotry. arcane1 Mar 2016 #129

Recognizing the difference in religion, religious interpretation and religious justifications LanternWaste Mar 2016 #142

Understanding media terminology when reporting events involving Muslims In Western countries Petrushka Mar 2016 #145

Because much of the criticism against "Islam" is directed at Muslims and is often laced with racism YoungDemCA Mar 2016 #163

What was the religious makeup of the only people to nuke a couple of cities? mwrguy Mar 2016 #176

"We have no problem blaming Judaism when Jewish extremists attack and kill Palestinians." KamaAina Mar 2016 #178

OP might be talking about settlers, who are usually extremist and violent. Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #184

"Technically they aren't an arm of the government of Israel" KamaAina Mar 2016 #185

Thats where the "technically" comes in. Franky its a clusterfuck, but I do... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #186

the OP was saying "we" as in "people here" ericson00 Mar 2016 #188

+1 n/t Matrosov Mar 2016 #192

I'm talking about orthodox extremists Matrosov Mar 2016 #191

BUMP! x100000 ericson00 Mar 2016 #187

Any idea that is immune to criticism has no value. Oneironaut Mar 2016 #190

Great point Matrosov Mar 2016 #195

Speaking for myself... Bradical79 Mar 2016 #196

Thank you Matrosov Mar 2016 #197

Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #198