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In reply to the discussion: Post removed [View all]Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)55. Except it wasn't irrational. It was ISIS. Nor is it just ISIS.
Al-Sisi, January 2015 to Al-Azhar:
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/2015/01/01/egypts-sisi-islamic-thinking-is-antagonizing-the-entire-world/
I am referring here to the religious clerics. We have to think hard about what we are facingand I have, in fact, addressed this topic a couple of times before. Its inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred should cause the entire umma [Islamic world] to be a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world. Impossible!
That thinkingI am not saying religion but thinkingthat corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the centuries, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. Its antagonizing the entire world!
Is it possible that 1.6 billion people [Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the worlds inhabitantsthat is 7 billionso that they themselves may live? Impossible!
I am saying these words here at Al Azhar, before this assembly of scholars and ulemaAllah Almighty be witness to your truth on Judgment Day concerning that which Im talking about now.
All this that I am telling you, you cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You need to step outside of yourselves to be able to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.
I say and repeat again that we are in need of a religious revolution. You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move because this umma is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lostand it is being lost by our own hands.
That thinkingI am not saying religion but thinkingthat corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the centuries, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. Its antagonizing the entire world!
Is it possible that 1.6 billion people [Muslims] should want to kill the rest of the worlds inhabitantsthat is 7 billionso that they themselves may live? Impossible!
I am saying these words here at Al Azhar, before this assembly of scholars and ulemaAllah Almighty be witness to your truth on Judgment Day concerning that which Im talking about now.
All this that I am telling you, you cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You need to step outside of yourselves to be able to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.
I say and repeat again that we are in need of a religious revolution. You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move because this umma is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lostand it is being lost by our own hands.
When people go nuts and riot and threaten murder in countries in the Middle East because of some cartoons published by Danish newspapers, the world looks and notes and draws its own conclusions.
When individuals are hacked to death in Bangladesh because of their opinions (bloggers, converts, critics of radicalism) and Africans are murdered by the hundreds each month by Muslims, when the violent incidents in Egypt are too many detail, when there is hardly a country in the world (if any) with any substantial population that isn't experiencing Muslim attacks on its population - it isn't irrational.
Al-Sisi is right. There isn't one Islam any more. There aren't even the traditional two. There are now many splinter groups, and a very substantial number of Muslims world-wide demand submission to Islam from even non-Muslims. Islam is at war with itself; a portion of Islam is at war with the west.
When the Aum Shinrikyo cult turned murderous in Japan, Japan suppressed it. That isn't possible with the murderous cults of Islam, so naturally and rationally people want to limit exposure. This isn't a small group. At least 150 million Muslims worldwide hold viewpoints that are completely incompatible with life in the west.
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