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72. True - the flip side of citizen activism

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:13 AM

Mar 2016

In its worst form you get the Bundys.

In one of her bits a while back Rachel Maddow discussed how in many states it takes many more votes to elect Democrats to state offices that it does to vote in Republicans. I wonder if a gifted lawyer could make a case that gerrymandering that results in that should be considered theft of votes or something that is unconstitutional. (It's before coffee for me so I am not very articulate this morning.)

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Chelsea Clinton: Democrats will not regain the House in 2016 [View all] former9thward Mar 2016 OP

Republicans love Hillary. Wilms Mar 2016 #1

Thanks for the laugh Generic Brad Mar 2016 #61

She is deeply loathed by Republicans oberliner Mar 2016 #96

With your Mom the House election in 2022.... daleanime Mar 2016 #2

I don't understand defeatism Jnclr89 Mar 2016 #3

It's MATH--and the way districts have been drawn. MADem Mar 2016 #8

People didn't vote in 2010 Gman Mar 2016 #10

She is likely correct on this AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #17

actually it is 2010 that killed us in that regard dsc Mar 2016 #44

Well said and so very true Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #80

That is so disgusting. When have we become the party of "we can't"? BillZBubb Mar 2016 #4

It's not defeatism Gman Mar 2016 #13

Exactly right if Clinton is the nominee WDIM Mar 2016 #21

What a steaming pile. n/t SFnomad Mar 2016 #25

What Is A Superdelegate To Do? Oh My???.....nt global1 Mar 2016 #46

And Sanders has declared the party ideologically bankrupt and that he would be a hypocrite mythology Mar 2016 #84

This is what happens TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #77

When did we come to this? Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #81

I know in my congressional district it happened in 2010. xmas74 Mar 2016 #92

Unfortunately, what she said is true. xmas74 Mar 2016 #90

NO, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #91

I can tell you right now, at least where I live, we cannot win. xmas74 Mar 2016 #93

There are plenty of house races held by republicans in districts the Democrats COULD WIN. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #94

But right now the biggest bang for our buck is the Senate races. xmas74 Mar 2016 #95

Exactly what I've been saying. Gman Mar 2016 #5

Bullshit. That is pure defeatism and excuse making. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #18

Regardless I can't change this fact Gman Mar 2016 #23

"No we can't" seems to be the real Clinton campaign slogan. nt Califonz Mar 2016 #30

That's because, unlike Sanders, Clinton is running an honest campaign. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #49

That's rich TrueDemVA Mar 2016 #78

What we can do is fight the gerrymandering in the courts where possible csziggy Mar 2016 #64

The SCOTUS has ruled it's not illegal Gman Mar 2016 #66

Florida had passed a constitutional amendment that made a lawsuit possible csziggy Mar 2016 #67

That is ideal. Good on the voters in FL Gman Mar 2016 #68

The amendments were citizen originated csziggy Mar 2016 #69

Unfortunate Texas does not have initiative and referendum Gman Mar 2016 #70

True - the flip side of citizen activism csziggy Mar 2016 #72

It just seems to me if the 14th amendment protections Gman Mar 2016 #73

I guess in many places the best bet is to turn out the voters csziggy Mar 2016 #75

By adhering to city boundaries as much as possible 1939 Mar 2016 #74

Yes - Tallahassee has one of those "tails" csziggy Mar 2016 #76

Absolutely agree. Nevernose Mar 2016 #65

She's right. Gerrymandering makes it practically impossible. PSPS Mar 2016 #6

She's wrong about that. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #7

That's exactly what Chelsea said. How does that make her wrong? n/t SFnomad Mar 2016 #11

I am not interested in the Clintonian view of reality. I especially don't wish it imposed on me. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #9

It's the way the country is right now Gman Mar 2016 #14

Unfortunately, this is in all probability. The gerrymandering that was done in purple states blm Mar 2016 #12

And the common denominator is Gman Mar 2016 #15

More "No we can't" from the Clintons WDIM Mar 2016 #16

Bury your head in the sand then SFnomad Mar 2016 #20

I completely understand and its about energizing the voters WDIM Mar 2016 #28

It's clear you don't understand. n/t SFnomad Mar 2016 #29

Sorry but your expectations are way too high Gman Mar 2016 #27

I have no illusions WDIM Mar 2016 #32

Or Gman Mar 2016 #39

^This^ Loki Mar 2016 #33

Flip voters WDIM Mar 2016 #37

You actually think you would be able to overcome a deficit of over 100,000 registered voters in a Loki Mar 2016 #48

Here in NC us GOTV activists have to get out almost 2 Dem voters for every 1 of theirs blm Mar 2016 #60

She is right. Gerrymandering and poor candidate recruitment will prevent us from taking the house. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #19

no we can't must be the new official hillary campaign slogan. Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #22

And apparently of half the Democratic party. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #24

Then tell us how you expect this to change? Loki Mar 2016 #36

Magic apparently mythology Mar 2016 #86

that's just like her opinion man n/t Enrique Mar 2016 #26

you're not wrong walter WDIM Mar 2016 #35

Ugh....SSDD.... haikugal Mar 2016 #31

more no we can't Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #34

NO WE CAN'T!! grasswire Mar 2016 #38

Daughter of No We Can't! Dr. Strange Mar 2016 #82

What'd she say about her mom's chances of winning? NightWatcher Mar 2016 #40

Worse than that. It was the dog whistle of hopelessness. peace13 Mar 2016 #42

Hillary's team is about as exciting as a piece of room temperature Wonder Bread NightWatcher Mar 2016 #45

And the Wonder Bread team knows that a low turnout is in their favor! peace13 Mar 2016 #47

Sorry, Hill didn't give a hoot about election irregularities in AZ. peace13 Mar 2016 #41

and much of the blame and problem DonCoquixote Mar 2016 #43

How uninspiring. Zen Democrat Mar 2016 #50

She's right RandySF Mar 2016 #51

How uninspiringly incremental. dchill Mar 2016 #52

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don�t have any. �Alice Walker B Calm Mar 2016 #53

not necessarily true, a Democratic wave election could do it 0rganism Mar 2016 #54

What the hell is wrong with you? rufus dog Mar 2016 #88

Thuck fat! ananda Mar 2016 #55

As long as "working with Republicans" dflprincess Mar 2016 #56

I want Hillary to attack the republicans not try to work with them. hollowdweller Mar 2016 #57

well, not everyone agrees--- Trump is hurting the brand in the congressional races Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #58

Probably right, I don't see it happening until the lines are redrawn following the next census Spider Jerusalem Mar 2016 #59

In other news the sun will shine tomorrow Reter Mar 2016 #62

Imagine entering an Olympic competition, stating "I am going to lose" closeupready Mar 2016 #63

Thread now belongs in GDP, since it's quickly morphed into... VOX Mar 2016 #71

She should stick to topics like this, rather than health care or defending incarcerating drug users Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #79

Well this should motivate the Youth vote for her mother rufus dog Mar 2016 #83

She is correct. But truth telling isn't the rage around here. n/t pnwmom Mar 2016 #85

Unfortunately, she's right jmowreader Mar 2016 #87

Chelsea Clinton isn't a prophet. She sounds defeatist. This is why we don't need more Clintons- craigmatic Mar 2016 #89

Paving the way to excuse her Mom going rightward. lol Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #97

Has everyone seen the commercial about "The Settlers?" Greybnk48 Mar 2016 #98