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proverbialwisdom

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26. Not my field, but have you seen this?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:45 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9302

By Brad Friedman on 5/14/2012 6:51pm  

Paper Ballot Op-Scan Systems in FL, WI, NY, OH Confirmed to Overheat, Mistally 70% of Votes


Similar systems used by millions of voters in majority of states also found to have failed as 2012 Presidential election looms...
New paper ballot optical-scan computer tabulator systems used to tally millions of votes in New York --- as well as "swing states" such as Florida, Ohio and Wisconsin --- do not tally votes correctly. That stunning admission comes courtesy of a new report released by the private company which manufactures, sells, services and programs the systems which are now believed to have mistallied tens of thousands of ballots in New York in 2010.

The votes of more than ten million voters could be affected by a newly revealed failure in the voting systems set for use in those four states in this year's Presidential election, and in more than 50 different jurisdictions in Wisconsin during next month's historic recall elections.

Election Systems & Software, Inc. (ES&S), the largest e-voting machine company in the U.S. and the maker of the paper ballot op-scan tally systems in question, have confirmed that their systems may overheat when used over several hours (for example, during an election!), and that they then may mistally and/or incorrectly discard anywhere from 30% to 70% of votes scanned by the machines.

The only way to know that a hand-marked paper ballot had been mistallied by the system would be to examine the ballots by hand to assure that the computer had read and recorded the voters' selections correctly.

The New York Daily News editorial board --- which has been persistently forcing the issue on state Election Officials who initially ignored massive mistallies discovered in the South Bronx during the state's 2010 election --- reports on ES&S' confirmation of the latest failure in a story headlined "We told you so: Newfangled voting machine screwed up". Their article today begins this way...
You know those new electronic vote-scanning machines that are supposed to be foolproof in reading and counting every ballot in an election? Well, they're anything but foolproof.

In fact, they can screw up voter tallies to a fare-thee-well even after technicians carefully calibrate and test them.

So state and city election officials have discovered, along with the machine's manufacturer, thanks to insistent prodding by this page.

Earlier this year, the newspaper discovered --- through public records requests for the paper ballots in a single precinct in the South Bronx --- that the ES&S model DS200 op-scan system had failed to count some 70% of paper ballots correctly in the 2010 primary election. In that November's general election, some 54% of the ballots were mistallied at the same precinct.

The result, as confirmed by ES&S, tens of thousands of perfectly valid votes may have gone uncounted, while thousands of "phantom votes" in races that voters hadn't intended to vote in at all were counted as valid votes.

The Daily News characterizes the initial response by election officials in NY, after the paper had discovered the massive failures, as "a statement of severe psychological denial."

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DIEBOLD DOES NOT COUNT WISCONSIN VOTES. Indydem Jun 2012 #1
Our llittle county just got "free" voting machines this year... snacker Jun 2012 #7
Google Indydem Jun 2012 #9
You can request a hand-counted paper ballot in those municipalities, snacker Jun 2012 #28
bull fucking shit We Want Peace Jun 2012 #10
NO, YOU ARE WRONG. Indydem Jun 2012 #22
Not my field, but have you seen this? proverbialwisdom Jun 2012 #26
Only 2 counties use those machines and a few towns in another. Indydem Jun 2012 #30
bullshit- where is your evidence of that? We Want Peace Jun 2012 #40
Here is the link - For the THIRD TIME. Indydem Jun 2012 #57
they are all sent through a central tabulator- which part of this are you not understanding? We Want Peace Jun 2012 #64
You've made up your mind. Indydem Jun 2012 #66
LOFL!! Thx for the clarity of your position uponit7771 Jun 2012 #59
So this is not happening? goclark Jun 2012 #77
No, It's not. Indydem Jun 2012 #78
Citizens United stole the election, elleng Jun 2012 #2
The money difference was due to a 1987 law unrelated to CU dmallind Jun 2012 #15
Maybe. elleng Jun 2012 #24
They Didn't Steal It... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #62
Correct, elleng Jun 2012 #67
Sadly We See It Here... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #71
imo there's no reason to hold elections until we have verifiable voting... polichick Jun 2012 #3
Wisconsin votes on paper ballots. nt TheWraith Jun 2012 #6
paper ballots that are counted by voting machines.. snacker Jun 2012 #13
new free voting machines- what a coincidence just in time for this election... We Want Peace Jun 2012 #41
No kidding - wonder if anyone is looking into this "coincidence." polichick Jun 2012 #68
Some of which are counted - or not - by Republican operatives. polichick Jun 2012 #14
and it is counted by machines that are easily manipulated We Want Peace Jun 2012 #16
That is wrong - there is an option to vote on paper ballots but most vote on machines. TBF Jun 2012 #17
good question ~ goclark Jun 2012 #53
The sooner we all get that this isn't the imaginary land we love, the better! polichick Jun 2012 #70
Why is it easier to believe in a massive conspiracy than simply that we lost? TheWraith Jun 2012 #4
After 2000 and 2004 you have to be pretty naive to think votes are counted... polichick Jun 2012 #19
you have to be pretty naive to think votes are counted accurately in this country We Want Peace Jun 2012 #25
More and more, I think they're part of the show... polichick Jun 2012 #27
It might have something to do with the massive turnout. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #20
Conservatives can turn out too. Just because DU hasn't been exposed to the conservative line here RZM Jun 2012 #36
Republicans had to bring in out of state felons to attempt to get signatures for a recall We Want Peace Jun 2012 #37
That was perfectly concise. Throd Jun 2012 #51
Thanks RZM Jun 2012 #52
Excellent insight and a very fine post Shrek Jun 2012 #56
pretty quick with that spin We Want Peace Jun 2012 #42
How about neither ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #5
Pretty much, yeah. nt TheWraith Jun 2012 #8
That's exactly the problem. The only time they will wake up is when it personally teddy51 Jun 2012 #18
Why is it easier to believe either than that dumbfuck voters are the majority? dmallind Jun 2012 #11
because 'dumbfuck voters' is all part of the manufactured spin We Want Peace Jun 2012 #43
I agree, a tweet is a hell of Riftaxe Jun 2012 #12
Both are pretty stupid ideas. tritsofme Jun 2012 #21
why are our votes counted in a way that cannot be verified? We Want Peace Jun 2012 #44
The results were consistent with the public opinion polls out there tritsofme Jun 2012 #49
All of the exit polls are fair and balanced? goclark Jun 2012 #74
I don't know what your post means. tritsofme Jun 2012 #75
We have a lot of morons in Wisconsin. undeterred Jun 2012 #23
calling Americans stupid is all part of the manufactured consent We Want Peace Jun 2012 #46
the sum of the American electorate is less than its parts cali Jun 2012 #60
If your first reaction to a loss is to immediately claim fraud without evidence RZM Jun 2012 #29
There should be absolutely no doubt that this is a fair election We Want Peace Jun 2012 #33
It is extremely easy to believe they've stolen this election. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2012 #31
who said that? ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #32
Because the Obama Derangement Syndrome is difficult to cure. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #34
Why believe the facts when you can make up shit? longship Jun 2012 #35
why did Republicans bus in felons to gather signatures for their recall attempts? We Want Peace Jun 2012 #47
link. reputable link, please cali Jun 2012 #61
It's all part of the ongoing campaign of propaganda from the repukes. gtar100 Jun 2012 #38
if we don't fight this right now We Want Peace Jun 2012 #39
Obama's DOJ will not rest until stolen elections are investigated! Dr Fate Jun 2012 #45
Dem 'leaders' have done nothing to expose our faulty election system We Want Peace Jun 2012 #48
Obama does not want to look like some conspiracy theorist. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #50
now we are expected to believe 36% of unions voted for Walker We Want Peace Jun 2012 #54
stole it?? they very openly bought it. thank you Citizens United. piratefish08 Jun 2012 #55
There's a much simpler explanation that makes more sense to me slackmaster Jun 2012 #58
Why don't you try putting your money where your mouth is? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #63
There is no evidence this was counted fairly, and the system is set up for fraud We Want Peace Jun 2012 #65
. Ellipsis Jun 2012 #69
And theres no evidence that it wasn't counted fairly SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #72
Interesting that some feel that you should prove it goclark Jun 2012 #73
Here is a link ....... goclark Jun 2012 #76
Hey, I can chew gum and walk simultaneously... shadegrown dulse Jun 2012 #79
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