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Glassunion

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113. My post was sarcasm... At that level, no human can taste that residue.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:29 PM
Mar 2016

You cannot discern the flavor of anything in those small quantities.

Denatonium is the most bitter chemical known to humans that I am aware of. It is an additive in shampoo, antifreeze, ect... to make them too bitter to prevent folks from consuming them.

Now, to give you an idea on the limitations of the human tongue (my ever-so-refined palate excluded) you would need to do the following.

Suppose you took 1 liter (1,000,000µl-microliters or 1,000,000,000nL-nanoliters) of the purest water and began to add Denatonium. The human tongue will not be able to discern the flavor of the Denatonium until about 0.05µl or 50nL. It is not until you get to around 10.0µl where it will become undrinkable. Now according to Post #9, we are talking about 18.74nL or 0.01874µl (at the most) of Glyphosate. This number is barely a hair over 1/3 of the numbers needed to taste the most potent bitter chemical known to man. So, in essence there is no human walking the planet that can taste even the most bitter chemical known to man, let alone this one.

If your wine tastes like shitty chemical residue, most likely you are just buying a shitty wine for your particular palate. Wineries and breweries add all sorts of additives to their products. For wine alone you have: sulfites, thiamine hydrochloride, tannin, copper sulfate, albumen, isinglass, trypsin, pepsin, casein, ect... Now some if this may sound scary, however it is quite normal, and natural.

I think the ancient Egyptians came up with the process of adding sulfites to their wine. This is actually a good thing. By adding sulfur dioxide (sulfites) to wine you are denaturing the enzyme Poly Phenol Oxidase... Boom! Your wine is now an antioxidant, and a tool in your body's fight against free radicals. Now the standard for this in most countries is to never add more than 350ppm to the wine. It is primarily used in wines made from late harvest grapes. However, if your wine is from older (late harvest) grapes that may have molds, more sulfites are added for the anti microbial properties. This can result in a flavor change if the numbers get high enough.

Thiamine hydrochloride - Simply a B vitamin added to feed yeast during the fermentation process.

Tannin - This is one of my personal favorites. I actually enjoy younger Bourgogne (Burgundy) wines for the sharp, crisp flavors that the tannins add to a wine. Now the seeds of the wine contain tannin, as well as oak barrels or chips when aging wine. It is one of the traits you look for in a wine that will age well. If a wine lacks in tannin, it will not improve with age.

Copper Sulfate - Gets rid of odors in the wine by removing sulfur. This has been said (not by me) to leave a tinny or metallic flavor in wine even though it is removed from the wine.

So, what you are thinking may be a chemical residue taste in your wine, may actually be a completely harmless, natural additive that was put in the wine, or the wine actually lacks an additive that may have balanced the flavor in a more pleasant way. I'm of the opinion that there is no such thing as a "good" or "bad" wine. I personally enjoy simple, younger wines 2012 - 2013 from Bourgogne France that go for about $25 a bottle. My wife on the other hand enjoys an older one 2006-2009 that goes for $54 a bottle. She raves about it, but it is nothing special to me, and I get more excited over a 2012. We did however have a '96 at a steakhouse that was orgasmic.

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. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #1
Drink deeply, my friend, and enjoy your derisive laughter while it lasts AxionExcel Mar 2016 #2
... trotsky Mar 2016 #58
BREAKING: European Environment Commission votes against GLYPHOSATE AxionExcel Mar 2016 #110
EU report declares glyphosate herbicides safe despite UN results trotsky Mar 2016 #111
Um, why are you laughing? vkkv Mar 2016 #6
Because EcoWatch is a woo site. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #7
Scientific American: Glyphosate Proves Deadly to Human Cells AxionExcel Mar 2016 #13
Link to the study that the article is quoting? Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #17
The article I suspect is talking about this, from 2009: petronius Mar 2016 #43
So, once again... Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #45
As noted below, yes, it's Seralini. HuckleB Mar 2016 #46
And Seralini and his "school" gets another mention. HuckleB Mar 2016 #19
Predictably Major Nikon Mar 2016 #23
It appears to be a daily mantra, lately. HuckleB Mar 2016 #24
I'm sure you would agree that someone needs to balance the steady, systematic War on Organics AxionExcel Mar 2016 #37
"War on Organics!" "War on Christmas!" "War on Easter!" HuckleB Mar 2016 #38
More alleged 'woo' from WHO (World Health Organization) AxionExcel Mar 2016 #65
EFSA looks at all the evidence and says that glyphosate poses no carcinogenic risk. HuckleB Mar 2016 #66
Why can't you just accept the "science" of Seralini rat studies? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #75
Now Monsanto is genetically engineering the English language - "woo" lagomorph777 Mar 2016 #118
Woo. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #120
Have a glass of glyphosate while you're there. lagomorph777 Mar 2016 #121
Glyphosate? Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #124
Anti-GMO activists are the ones practicing “tobacco science”. HuckleB Mar 2016 #123
Because you can't make shit up this funny Major Nikon Mar 2016 #9
You seem to know a lot about it. Do you work for a chemical company? Just wondering.. eom vkkv Mar 2016 #12
Oh noes! The shill gambit. Who could have ever foreseen that one coming? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #20
No, not my intention, I was genuinely wondering how it is you know so much about ALL of the info vkkv Mar 2016 #25
Sure, because this is absolutely the first time anyone has ever posted such woo on DU Major Nikon Mar 2016 #26
I see... An observation: Stalking is a life-style reality for some.... eom vkkv Mar 2016 #30
So, you can't provide an actual answer then? Very, very weird.. eom vkkv Mar 2016 #27
You can always just call me names and then go stomping off with your ball Major Nikon Mar 2016 #31
I haven't done that, I was only asking how you come to know so much about the chems in wine vkkv Mar 2016 #33
Seriously? More shill gambit gibberish? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #36
Good grief! You've gone to a lot of trouble to prove your emotional instability here. Getting waaay vkkv Mar 2016 #39
Wow, a personal attack and stomping off with your ball Major Nikon Mar 2016 #41
Why would you ask specifically if he worked for a chemical company? HuckleB Mar 2016 #32
They get paid by chemical to debunk science ... pbmus Mar 2016 #53
Alas, you are right. GMO chemical corps have substantial PR Spin cadres AxionExcel Mar 2016 #63
Is someone talking to and about himself? HuckleB Mar 2016 #64
Water memory and autism caused by fluoridation. Science or bullshit? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #67
After the stupid shit gets posted here enough you learn who the assholes behind it are... snooper2 Mar 2016 #115
+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Mar 2016 #15
Why are you dragging your STRAW MAN into the discussion? AxionExcel Mar 2016 #21
No strawman. HuckleB Mar 2016 #22
Strawman doesn't mean what you think it means Major Nikon Mar 2016 #28
Bullshit... I don't give a Rat's ass what the EPA says. Remember, Glassunion Mar 2016 #35
So you can taste the equivalent of 10 drops of a tasteless substance in a swimming pool Major Nikon Mar 2016 #40
I think your meter is broken... Glassunion Mar 2016 #42
You have to realize that your claims were not unusual in this context at DU. HuckleB Mar 2016 #50
I do have a refined pallet, and do loves me some wine... Glassunion Mar 2016 #54
JBCD is probably the worst thing I've read on DU all week! petronius Mar 2016 #62
A refined "pallet" panader0 Mar 2016 #108
lol! Glassunion Mar 2016 #114
I just had it calibrated to NIST standards Major Nikon Mar 2016 #60
That's where you failed... You cannot use NIST standards. Glassunion Mar 2016 #61
+ 1 AxionExcel Mar 2016 #112
My post was sarcasm... At that level, no human can taste that residue. Glassunion Mar 2016 #113
Was it the 'moms across america' article source that set of your lollercoaster ? Bonx Mar 2016 #8
No, just seeing the link is from EcoWatch. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #11
Widespread Glyphosate Contamination in USA AxionExcel Mar 2016 #3
Nothing to chuckle about.. eom vkkv Mar 2016 #10
No it is not .The EU isn't a laughing cow. Made a recent big move to get it out of Europe but now Person 2713 Mar 2016 #78
Care to discuss this finding in Europe? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #86
Water remembers Major Nikon Mar 2016 #16
Hahah! Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #18
Which wines? Wines from where? Okay, got it. vkkv Mar 2016 #4
For those of us who care what goes into our bodies - some good GMO free choices womanofthehills Mar 2016 #88
Yup. Pound that carcinogenic alcohol! HuckleB Mar 2016 #91
Orwell called it Doublethink Major Nikon Mar 2016 #106
A rather brilliant human, that Orwell. HuckleB Mar 2016 #109
Better watch those herbs...including pot. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #5
In other EcoWatch "news", vaccines and flouridation cause autism Major Nikon Mar 2016 #14
The funniest part is look who wrote that first link. Archae Mar 2016 #34
Heroin is a helluva drug Major Nikon Mar 2016 #68
I don't quite follow you here. Archae Mar 2016 #81
At least one or both Major Nikon Mar 2016 #84
I did find this in the NY Daily News. Archae Mar 2016 #85
Glyphosphate is a PESTICIDE. You're comparing vaccines and flouride to poison. pnwmom Mar 2016 #116
Strawman much? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #117
It's always the same distraction techniques. HuckleB Mar 2016 #119
So is caffeine, and caffeine is more dangerous. N/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #122
Please stop trying to mislead people. HassleCat Mar 2016 #29
Over 80% of GMO crops use glyphosate. That fact is absolutely correct AxionExcel Mar 2016 #44
More Seralini love! HuckleB Mar 2016 #49
I guess you missed the part where the EFSA called bullshit Major Nikon Mar 2016 #70
They way I understood the post is that Glyphosate is the true poison here, not just GMO crops. vkkv Mar 2016 #47
Links? HuckleB Mar 2016 #48
Okay, I could come up with a big list, will Truthout.org suffice? vkkv Mar 2016 #51
Really? HuckleB Mar 2016 #52
Sheeesh, there's no point in continuing with this argument. vkkv Mar 2016 #55
Scientists are correct about climate change, GMOs, and the toxicity of glyphosate. HuckleB Mar 2016 #56
I rarely do this, but I'm adding you to my ignore list for a while. We aren't really vkkv Mar 2016 #57
LOL! You're not communicating here, with me, or anyone else. HuckleB Mar 2016 #59
Very funny that one Major Nikon Mar 2016 #71
Some things are all too predictable. HuckleB Mar 2016 #73
What you appear to be missing is that MOST scientists agree on Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2016 #69
Science? Have you heard of TruthOut? No? You should read it once in a while. vkkv Mar 2016 #72
So no peer-reviewed studies, no follow-up studies, just propaganda. HuckleB Mar 2016 #74
Have you ever heard of Science, the most respected science journal on the planet? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #76
Two years ago ? What are they saying now? vkkv Mar 2016 #77
I find it hilarious you didn't even read your own source while asking if others had read it Major Nikon Mar 2016 #80
Okay, MY TWO YEAR old piece vs, YOUR TWO YEAR old piece! Excerpts: vkkv Mar 2016 #89
So I guess two years old isn't so bad after all, eh? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #92
Info for you>>> vkkv Mar 2016 #93
Do you have any info that remotely supports your assertion? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #98
Sorry. No sale! Welcome to my Ignore list. - eom vkkv Mar 2016 #100
Only please, please don't throw me into the briar patch! Major Nikon Mar 2016 #102
Beware: You will be blocked by that poster if you show evidence. HuckleB Mar 2016 #95
Yeah, very telling that Major Nikon Mar 2016 #97
Why don't you just call me a name, grab your ball, go home and call it a day? -eom vkkv Mar 2016 #79
Because I'm not a boorish child. YMMV. Major Nikon Mar 2016 #83
Look man, it's just my opinion okay, but perhaps a little time away from the computer will vkkv Mar 2016 #101
If you actually had him on ignore, how did you even see this sub-thread? Major Nikon Mar 2016 #103
. HuckleB Mar 2016 #104
It is on plenty of non GMO also and has recently in the USA been applied to many crops right Person 2713 Mar 2016 #82
There is also a big problem with the "secret" additives to glyphosate - the synergists womanofthehills Mar 2016 #94
And another silly anti-GMO bit pops up out of nowhere. HuckleB Mar 2016 #96
Glyphosate also found In Wastewater Discharge - it's in your streams too, folks! womanofthehills Mar 2016 #87
Science is amazing. HuckleB Mar 2016 #90
If our legislators had any balls, they would all out ban this deadly toxin and put Monsanto out of Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #99
Then they would have to ban all the more toxic "organic" products, too. HuckleB Mar 2016 #105
Like salt and vinegar Major Nikon Mar 2016 #107
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