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kaleckim

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43. Who is "blaming them for all that is evil"?

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:05 PM

Mar 2016

The record on NAFTA is clear and no working person, especially on the left, would ever delude themselves like you have. I take it you are well off. The same is true of the WTO (I doubt you Clinton defenders know what it is or does), him deregulating financial capital, ripping apart social programs that benefited the poor, etc. Your type of response is why people are fed up with Clinton and the establishment in this country. You just can't be honest with anyone, including yourself, about the actual impact of policies they supported. Whatever, think what you want, but I'll be damned if you claim they're on the left, or anything other than conservative establishment figures. They've all but announced that the system will not change, and the system is inequitable, corrupt, and leading us to ecological collapse. Nothing progressive about that.

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Lest we forget what the era of Bill Clinton's Presidency was like. [View all] Jitter65 Mar 2016 OP

In Britain he's remembered from helping bring peace to Northern Ireland. Bad Dog Mar 2016 #1

Neither Clinton is a bit shy about taking credit for things Ted Kennedy accomplished. merrily Mar 2016 #6

Surprised you didn't give the credit to Bernie. 6000eliot Mar 2016 #29

I call bs. Link to any post where I've misattributed or usurped credit. Or slink. merrily Mar 2016 #36

+10000 nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #35

Ted Kennedy had nothing positive to do with Northern Ireland. Bad Dog Mar 2016 #40

That was a major accomplishment BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #8

It's pretty big over here. Bad Dog Mar 2016 #39

I recall some good years liberal N proud Mar 2016 #2

Tax and fee hikes by Reagan and Poppy, combined with ending "welfare as we know it" merrily Mar 2016 #10

Is there a point to your excitement? liberal N proud Mar 2016 #13

Is there a point to your ad hom Reply 13, other than you can't refute anything in my post? merrily Mar 2016 #16

don't forget they used the SS surplus too Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #17

EXCELLENT POINT. I and millions of other Americans wuz robbed to help create that merrily Mar 2016 #21

Family Medical Leave nt WhiteTara Mar 2016 #11

Signed into law almost as soon as Bill Clinton became President - legislation that had been vetoed karynnj Mar 2016 #38

I agree with all your points, BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #12

In the 2008 primary, Hillary fully embraced Bill's acts and omissions, though she's now "evolved" merrily Mar 2016 #22

"Hillary's would be significantly better" kaleckim Mar 2016 #23

Those don't make up for... SHRED Mar 2016 #3

Ending welfare pulled families out of poverty? ok. Let's REALLY remember: merrily Mar 2016 #4

People also forget, or maybe don't know kaleckim Mar 2016 #14

Yes and his main guy on Social Security cuts, etc. was Bowles of Simpson Bowles, aka the merrily Mar 2016 #15

Lest we forget kaleckim Mar 2016 #5

excellent rebuttal! thanks Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #20

Never said it was a perfect record and the claims about NAFTA's job losses have been refuted Jitter65 Mar 2016 #33

Oh please kaleckim Mar 2016 #37

NAFTA, Deregulate Telecomunications, Repeal Glass/Steigel Chasstev365 Mar 2016 #7

You forgot the Patriot Act I and the Telecommunication Act. Wilms Mar 2016 #9

As long as we're on precursors to the post 911 Dummya years, how about bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iraq? merrily Mar 2016 #18

I see that hundreds of thousands of dead and injured bothers you, too. Wilms Mar 2016 #27

Those already exist, paid for by Saudis, among others, but are well-whitewashed. merrily Mar 2016 #28

Good point. Wilms Mar 2016 #31

Good catch. Both Bush Libraries, too. merrily Mar 2016 #32

NAFTA, explosion of the prison population because of the War on Drugs..... marmar Mar 2016 #19

Focus on the negative and blame it ALL on Clinton ... BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #24

or kaleckim Mar 2016 #25

I'm sorry, but you can deny history and reality all you want. marmar Mar 2016 #26

You seem to have a lot of cognitive dissonance BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #42

Who is "blaming them for all that is evil"? kaleckim Mar 2016 #43

Sorry..... marmar Mar 2016 #45

Not at all. eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #48

Which things attributed on this thread to Bubba did not happen on his watch? merrily Mar 2016 #30

Clinton was a good president, but Hillary is more of a hawk than he is adigal Mar 2016 #34

Some DUers long for the Bush years and hope Trump will bring them back Democat Mar 2016 #41

What does a left wing critique of Democrats like Clinton look like? kaleckim Mar 2016 #44

no .... welfare reform and mass incarceration are unforgivable....period dembotoz Mar 2016 #46

It's also important to remember that came in the context of GOP attacks about "Willy Horton" BainsBane Mar 2016 #47