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jeff47

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62. That's why you can't attack it in one single act.

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:10 PM

Mar 2016

First, you need to apply something to make it a program for "those people". Something that gives an advantage to an out-of-favor group.

Such as Hillary Clinton's proposal to add a means-tested "bonus" to Social Security recipients. So that the poor would get more than the middle and upper classes.

That turns it into a welfare-like program, and now you can start dismantling it. Gradually cut payments, gradually privatize it ("It's your money! Invest it in Wall Street!&quot and in a little while you've effectively destroyed the program.

Also, this can't be kicked off by a Republican president. That would result in lock-step opposition by Democrats. Instead, you need a "sensible" Democrat to propose changes. Republicans will vote for them, and Democrats will be split.

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The Pact Between Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich to Privatize Social Security [View all] eridani Mar 2016 OP

Don't worry, Hillary won't listen to Newt. She will, however, listen to Pete Peterson. Scuba Mar 2016 #1

Handing SS to Wall Street would be the ultimate return on their investment in Hillary. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #4

And Obama already began the chiseling by putting it on the table. cui bono Mar 2016 #79

bingo ^^^ secondwind Mar 2016 #7

If Hillary privatizes Social Security and flips on the TPP..... raindaddy Mar 2016 #78

There won't be much harm left to do, at that point, is the problem. Mission accomplished. djean111 Apr 2016 #101

Here is an example of how third way Clinton Advisors used the FAIR to begin to DhhD Mar 2016 #2

You left out the part Cryptoad Mar 2016 #26

Clinton-Gingrich agreed to gut social security but scandal intervened. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #28

U missed my point Cryptoad Mar 2016 #30

Your "point" only works by ignoring Bowles as the source... JackRiddler Mar 2016 #34

Next thing u know, u will be telling me Cryptoad Mar 2016 #41

Hmm, who did that? JackRiddler Mar 2016 #42

And you know Bullshit Politicalboi Apr 2016 #103

This isn't about "Bern" notadmblnd Mar 2016 #51

To paraphrase and old saying... gregcrawford Mar 2016 #66

Is this HawkMode Mar 2016 #80

Lousy. dchill Mar 2016 #83

Geez, a 15 year old article from a RW publications (cato) and a 18 year old article. Fla Dem Apr 2016 #105

KnR SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #3

Newt Gingrich's House of Reps impeached Clinton in 1998 Gman Mar 2016 #5

So Clinton didn't repeat Glass-Steagal, either? cprise Mar 2016 #20

Geez Gman Mar 2016 #24

I was there. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #37

These books tell who was there, and what they did, saw, said and wrote, which has nothing to do DhhD Mar 2016 #39

Bowles is the source for the passage by a historian. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #29

They thought impeaching him would put the WH into Ilsa Apr 2016 #99

In 95-96 I kept saying Gman Apr 2016 #100

Bill and hillary clinton uniquely american . RATM435 Mar 2016 #6

A complete lack of empathy. kristopher Mar 2016 #60

Sadly, today 100 Dems might vote yes! Chasstev365 Mar 2016 #8

I don't think so. Even Repub are wary about losing votes if they touch SS. Nitram Mar 2016 #10

I hope you are correct! Chasstev365 Mar 2016 #11

As they should be...Every study on voters in both parties shows overwhelming support whathehell Mar 2016 #15

Umm, were you aware Bill actually isn'ty running for office this time? Nitram Mar 2016 #17

Umm, were you aware BC has enormous influence in the democratic party? whathehell Mar 2016 #19

What, I think you greatly overestimate Bill's "influence". Nitram Mar 2016 #89

Well, I think you greatly underestimate Bill's "influence" whathehell Mar 2016 #90

Seems you have a bit of attitude, too whathehell! Nitram Mar 2016 #91

Lol..you're funny. whathehell Mar 2016 #93

Yawn. Nitram Mar 2016 #94

Sure whathehell Apr 2016 #96

Bill and Hillary sold themselves as a "team" cprise Mar 2016 #22

That is so 90's! Nitram Mar 2016 #52

Yes, we know they still think it's the 90s Hydra Mar 2016 #73

When did it stop? Did he accidentally wander into polling places for merrily Mar 2016 #76

Its also "so 2008" when Hillary ran on Bill's record. Oops! cprise Mar 2016 #95

HRC's husband is her #1 surrogate on the campaign trail. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #31

1- The "voters' won't even know it is happening. pangaia Mar 2016 #18

and why would that be? whathehell Mar 2016 #21

And most likely, based on how they are acting, they are not. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #35

Huh? whathehell Mar 2016 #40

Do they know that "Democrats" like Bill and Hillary Clinton contemplate it right now? highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #54

What I mean is they won't really know what is about to happen pangaia Mar 2016 #87

That was exactly the point of the 1997-98 maneuvers - JackRiddler Mar 2016 #33

Yeah, yeah. So conspiratorial. Nitram Mar 2016 #53

Bowles. Bowles is the source. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #55

That's an interesting phrase. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #67

Back then I had no idea that was going on. Only recently... pangaia Mar 2016 #88

They will just make people awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #48

That's why you can't attack it in one single act. jeff47 Mar 2016 #62

Just goes to show, Bill Clinton is a genius! Nitram Mar 2016 #9

And Hill delayed "finding" the Whitewater billing records for 2 years Divernan Mar 2016 #13

Exactly! Nitram Mar 2016 #14

Hill advised by leading Dems to just honor the damned subpoena Divernan Mar 2016 #23

the Clintons go with the same playbook every time Angel Martin Mar 2016 #56

Benghazi!!! redstateblues Mar 2016 #32

Thank god for Monica, who "changed everything"; saved SS & medicare! Divernan Mar 2016 #12

waiting for post about how clinton plays 40 dimensional chess like they say about obama dembotoz Mar 2016 #16

Rumor Control has it,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2016 #25

Hillary Clinton has jumped from an insurance trust fund montly benefit to charity for the poor along DhhD Mar 2016 #43

put me down as a yes Cryptoad Mar 2016 #44

Yes they should, and therefore be taxed appropriately on their incomes; all of it, on and off shore. DhhD Mar 2016 #47

Neo-Progressives Cryptoad Mar 2016 #49

"Regressive"? Do you know what that word means truebluegreen Mar 2016 #77

Well, it certainly doesn't mean social security for the wealthy, true. Nitram Apr 2016 #97

In my view one of the big reasons truebluegreen Apr 2016 #104

So you think zentrum Mar 2016 #46

it read like the typical Hillarian dishonest dodge to me stupidicus Mar 2016 #59

"compelled to act like the did?" Is this satire? Nitram Apr 2016 #98

So glad you're zentrum Mar 2016 #27

Thank you Monica and a big NO THANK YOU to Hillary Clinton. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #38

Hillary can't be trusted on SS. Or anything else for that matter. CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #36

Yes. Exactly how I feel. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #92

why do they pretend to be Democrats? SHRED Mar 2016 #45

k & freaking r! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2016 #50

Thank you Monica, indeed! Gmak Mar 2016 #57

this should be common knowledge by now stupidicus Mar 2016 #58

Guaranteed That HRC Will Follow WJCs Lead cantbeserious Mar 2016 #61

I do not trust Hillary with my Social Security. Not at all. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #63

Monica saved social security? felix_numinous Mar 2016 #64

Bill finished up the Reagan revolution ish of the hammer Mar 2016 #65

Great recap! ozone_man Mar 2016 #70

Don't worry... Hillary can finish it up!!! FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #68

K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #69

Probably Medicare and Medicaid cuts as well Doctor_J Mar 2016 #71

What is Hillary's official statement on this matter does anyone know? demgrrrll Mar 2016 #72

pls cross post in GDP amborin Mar 2016 #74

...I think we need to start the process of canonizing Monica Hydra Mar 2016 #75

OUR DEMOCRATIC REGISTRATIONS HIJACKED IN PENNSYLVANIA kadaholo Mar 2016 #81

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #82

The Baby Boom generation starts turning 70 this year Califonz Mar 2016 #84

Who is Bowles? Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #85

I do not trust Hillary with my Social Security either. Nor Medicare. Nor any social programs, if she highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #86

I don't trust Hillary either. Imagine what she'll do to the marijuana legalization movement. B Calm Apr 2016 #102

A 8 year old article. Try to keep up with the times Fla Dem Apr 2016 #106

I see you missed the Pete Petersen dogwhistle during the first debate eridani Apr 2016 #107

K&R cprise Apr 2016 #108

K&R Octafish Apr 2016 #109

The problem with triangulation is that during the campaign jwirr Apr 2016 #110

Clinton gave the Pete Petersen dogwhistle in the first debate eridani Apr 2016 #111